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Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by gunnihinn »

smegel wrote: post #166
jister wrote: post #127

DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

Mexico could do with a President like that.

Yeah, fighting the cartels directly has worked like a charm so far. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War#Casualties

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Post by fido2 »

obj-g wrote: post #261
tajen wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police 1. 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed [1]. 2. In the current example, the black victim didn't resist arrest. 3. Those 500-600 weren't criminals, because you can only say they're "criminal" after a fair trial (oh, sorry, that's something to do with "human rights", if only you could unders…

What's the current example? Of course they weren't all criminals. Many of them were, though, you know, from prior arrests/crimes. Like this recent "victim" (or angel as some would have us believe): sex offender, arrest history, felon, gun in pocket, struggling against police trying to keep him on the ground, reaching for gun. But no, he's portrayed as some beloved member of the community and family man. Five kids, bu…

I agree. I lived for a bit in downtown Detroit. People seriously need to visit the hood before they talk about the police.

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Post by thomasfoster96 »

meira wrote: post #269
godzilla82 wrote: post #244

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> I would say the American polítical regime is the worst in the world But not for the people living there.

People supporting Trump (right wing), people supporting Bernie Sanders (left wing) and BLM (both) don't agree with this. But yeah, you have a great piece of America's population that got a lot from this world-wide regime.

If you're calling the political system in the United States a 'regime', then both Sanders (as a legislator) and Trump (as a member of both parties and donor) are both a part of it. Both Sanders and Trump support the American political system as much as Clinton.

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Post by t0rb3n »

epaga wrote: post #134
flexie wrote: post #126

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Even if 100 percent of the electorate had given the politicians a mandate to kill drug dealers it would not be okay. Democracy does not trump human rights and rule of law.

I fully agree that it doesn't - but the million dollar follow-up question to that is: Why does it not?

You're wrong in agreeing that it does not, democracy is a perverted form of government (see Aristotle). That's why most countries implement a constitutional republic or something similar instead.

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Post by meira »

hmapple wrote: post #242
meira wrote: post #221

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So You're agreeing with me that this is bullshit and US is not a democracy? After all, Obama was elected to halt Wars and we are on the brink of WWIII. You vote but don't get what you elect. Now, if we add big money to the sum, I would say the American polítical regime is the worst in the world.

Do you think the American political regime is worse than Venezuela's? Vietnam? Thailand? Brazil? Libya? I think the majority of people would argue the list of superior systems is 90% shorter than the list of inferior.

Yep. After all, the political problems of the ones you cited all goes back to the American regime.

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Post by malinens »

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #193
cornholio wrote: post #187

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West has all the right to "pontification" since only the West has thus far delivered a high standard of living coupled with respect for human rights. There are no shortcuts, there is no magic authoritarian fairy dus you can apply and leapfrog the West, we have tried it all and it always ended in disaster. We have seen time and time again, both in our societies and in the developing world, that authoritarianism is sel…

>West has all the right to "pontification" since only the West has thus far delivered a high standard of living coupled with respect for human rights. I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic. But I am sorry to inform you that "development" of the west was borne out or slave labour. It is just that simple. The was did not get developed in the past 50 years. I know, it sounds so shocking, but it is true. In 40 years wh…

I am from Latvia. We did not own any colonies and we were slaves ourselves. But we are democracy and we are for rule of law. We have quite high standard of living. And this standard of living was not created by slave labour or oil. Don't fall for politicians who blame everything on West. You have been independent for some time already. Killing of people without a trial will not make Your country any better. It will make it worse.

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Post by malinens »

yardie wrote: post #234
cornholio wrote: post #187

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West has all the right to "pontification" since only the West has thus far delivered a high standard of living coupled with respect for human rights. There are no shortcuts, there is no magic authoritarian fairy dus you can apply and leapfrog the West, we have tried it all and it always ended in disaster. We have seen time and time again, both in our societies and in the developing world, that authoritarianism is sel…

In the last century The west has not only engaged in 1 but 2 global wars. Then topped that by holding the world hostage with nuclear annihilation. In addition to engaging in a variety of proxy wars in developing countries where they liked to install puppet dictators. All of this in the name of democracy. And let's not even get started with the bullshit in the Middle East. The west has no grounds to state they respect…

Two wrongs don't make a right

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Post by jacquesm »

lostlogin wrote: post #215
jacquesm wrote: post #177

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> Those related to drugs were killed during a buy-bust operation. In a country where the police is as corrupt as yours the last thing you want is to by-pass due process. That pretty much guarantees that lots of opponents of the newly elected regime will suddenly find themselves on the receiving end in 'buy-bust' operations. > And yes, there is judicial process I find that hard to square with > Those related to drugs…

> Judicial process 30 killed since June 30. Things seem to move fast in those judicial circles.

Article dated 4th of July.

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Post by alanwatts »

joe5150 wrote: post #169
akerro wrote: post #31

Wow, think about it. On one side we have Elon Musk, who wants to build a city on Mars, make interplanetary travels quick and cheap and he's doing it, there are people who want to kill you for your skin or hair colour. There is PM of Portugal who decriminalised drugs (saying: "drugs break families and relations, and so is facebook. We're not going to ban facebook") and there is a president who kills drug addicts, peop…

can you explain how a city on Mars is meant to contrast with racism or...hair colorism(?).

>You have made tremendous strides in the area of scientific and technological development. But America, as I look at you from afar, I wonder whether your moral and spiritual progress has been commensurate with your scientific progress. It seems to me that your moral progress lags behind your scientific progress. Your poet Thoreau used to talk about "improved means to an unimproved end." How often this is true. You have allowed the material means by which you live to outdistance the spiritual ends for which you live. You have allowed your mentality to outrun your morality. You have allowed your civilization to outdistance your culture. Through your scientific genius you have made of the world a neighborhood, but through your moral and spiritual genius you have failed to make of it a brotherhood. So America, I would urge you to keep your moral advances abreast with your scientific advances

-Dr. King, 1956

http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/documentse...

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Post by malinens »

kimmshibal wrote: post #74
jacquesm wrote: post #15

What an idiot. The highest government official calling for extra-judicial killing of citizens should lead to a single indictment. What's really disturbing is that this guy got voted in. 30 people in 4 days.

America killed 1,033,000 in iraq war. nobody give a shit. wow.

citation needed. most of deaths were between Iraqis themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
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