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Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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post #87

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> (roughly) reverse-chronological list of text-message length posts'. Twitter went algorithmic timeline not too long ago, sadly. Fortunately, it can still be turned off - but is on by default.

> it can still be turned off Where? I unchecked every setting that I found, but I still get that "While you were away" and "#something is currently trending" bullshit.

Here is how you do it.

https://support.twitter.com/articles/164083#settings

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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post #87

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> (roughly) reverse-chronological list of text-message length posts'. Twitter went algorithmic timeline not too long ago, sadly. Fortunately, it can still be turned off - but is on by default.

You can turn it off??? This is the best news I've heard in ages.

Of course, you can.

https://support.twitter.com/articles/164083#settings

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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post #94

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This is such an important point, lost in the punditry. Twitter gets a lot of love from journalists and people with a profile, who write the articles about twitter and control public perception. They have an interest in maintaining a personal brand and have enough visibility that Twitter works for them. If you listened to those people, Twitter's biggest problem would be trolls writing mean (and often abusive) tweets a…

Reddit only appeals to a specific demographic though. Twitter seems to have broader appeal somehow. I think because Twitter conversation is less controlled by a majority.

Would love to see stats on how often average reddit account owners comment and contribute vs average Twitter users.

I think warcher has a very good point about vocal people from other platforms (e.g journalists) giving a massive misconception over Twitters actual appeal and reach.

There is a huge difference between a platform where you shout in to the void and people have to choose to listen and a platform where you shout into the void and people can overhear you. One of those systems favours the popular, the other favours the average person.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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post #7

The founders departed very early after the acquisition, like Rus and Dom. None of the 'top executives' were ever the original visionaries that created the product to begin with. It's sort of shocking that after Jack left but hailed back to save Twitter, that the board didn't have more wherewithal to retain the founding team of Vine. Textbook post-acquisition problem. I agree with other commenters that they should int…

> they should integrate Vine into Twitter

Twitter already does video better than vine though, whats the point?

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Instagram remade vine 100x better Every time I click a vine video it takes ages to load. I can't remember a similar service with a crappier user experience The Vine app lasted less than a week on my phone, because it was pretty much unusable. Yes, please, let me play a series of videos with sound while scrolling.

the only app that has a worse UX than vine is... wait for it... periscope! Half the time periscope videos won't even load for me over the web. No matter how long I wait. Twitter Co.'s infrastructure seems to have only ever gotten marginally better since the fail whale days!

My only experience with Periscope was clicking a link at the top of my twitter feed and seeing "This broadcast has already ended".

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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post #101
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Twitter (the service, not the company's) secret sauce is: You can have a public platform, using an identity you choose for yourself, to broadcast snippets of information. Where do you evolve this? Blogger, Blogspot, Livejournal, Tumblr, Medium, they're all in this same space, except they focus on traditional, long-form content. I don't see Twitter as a social network (although many do, that's okay). I see it as a bro…

> Blogger, Blogspot, Livejournal, Tumblr, Medium, they're all in this same space So why does Twitter need 3,800 employees? Why does it need 1,500 technical employees? Sure, it gets more traffic than any of those other sites, but growth has slowed and the traffic is more or less stable. The core product hasn't changed significantly. Their most ambitious innovation in recent years (Periscope) was an acquisition. What d…

> What do the bulk of these engineers work on, day to day?

Not the Mac app that's for sure.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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post #68

I've seen this cycle a few times now. Just give it a merciful death (vine and twitter). Some things are meant to be ephemeral. I think vine and twitter are in that category. Just like a forest needs fires to be a healthy ecosystem. People should be more willing to let go of business ideas that see explosive growth but lack the business fundamentals to be sustainable. Instead what's gonna happen is that it is going to…

I feel like this is the fate of all the social networks whose main purpose is to feed into people's vanity. Surely 20 year companies can't be built off of people's desire to show off how much better their lives are to ours?

Both true and false. Don't forget that even now there are real-life VIP clubs the entrance to which costs the members pretty penny just so they can drink overpriced wine and convince each other they are special snowflakes, all the while crowding together underground in a place I wouldn't go in even if I am paid to. (And this phenomenon has been going on probably since the early medieval ages.)

Maybe a virtual variant of that can be profitable but IMO it's doubtful. Elitism works best with real-life meetings. Same with snobism.

...Then again, I heard there are people sinking thousands of dollars each month into the dying game named e.Republic just so they can be shown in top-50 charts.

TL;DR: Humans love to pay so they can feel special. Go figure.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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post #89

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I don't see where Messenger could replace the Facebook native app at all...Messenger is growing every day and with bot support and SMS handling it's also becoming way more useful but from there to "Replacement of Facebook" there's quite the jump...

Most people use Facebook to communicate with their friends and family. With the regular Facebook platform everyone can see everything and your comment on a friends obnoxious photo might be posted on your moms news feed. Not so with Messenger. It's easy to have groups for friends, groups for family, groups for your Sunday football group etc. I bet most young people already are using Messenger a lot more than regular F…

Facebook is the last thing young people use.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Makes sense, Instagram has essentially beat them at their own game.

Instagram remade vine 100x better Every time I click a vine video it takes ages to load. I can't remember a similar service with a crappier user experience The Vine app lasted less than a week on my phone, because it was pretty much unusable. Yes, please, let me play a series of videos with sound while scrolling.

That and the 6 second limit is totally arbitrary. The fact that you can have longer videos on Instagram(but not, say, multiple minutes long) is killer.
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