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Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by madgar »

timcederman wrote: post #56
PeCaN wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not going to explain the individual job functions of 50 people Good thing I didn't ask you to. > It says they had 3 product managers Seems like a lot of product managers for a company with one product which isn't especially complicated. Smells like a sign of hiring really fast to try to grow. > I would guess this means 8-10 engineers The fuck do they even do? You don't need that many people to make something li…

If you think you can come run a team more leanly and successfully, I invite you to come do it - clearly, if there is a market inefficiency here you could reap the rewards.

Are you really so blinded by free-market ideology that you think one company having bloated headcount makes room for a direct competitor in their product space? You believe in a perfectly efficient market and don't believe in the existence of barriers to entry?

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by AznHisoka »

spydum wrote: post #19
dkarapetyan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is valuable about it? I keep hearing this but it is just a jumble of collective stream of consciousness. Has anyone that has read Ulysses actually made any sense of it? Twitter is the collective analog of Ulysses.

It can be pretty useful for sentiment analysis across large populations - for a lot of different purposes/clients

It's junk for a lot of use cases.

1. As another user mentioned, more tweets are from bots.

2. Lots of sarcasm and rhetorical questions in tweets.

3. Nobody tweets about their hemorrhoids. Or abortion. Unless you're GoPro, good luck finding insights.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by DanBC »

AznHisoka wrote: post #112
spydum wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be pretty useful for sentiment analysis across large populations - for a lot of different purposes/clients

It's junk for a lot of use cases. 1. As another user mentioned, more tweets are from bots. 2. Lots of sarcasm and rhetorical questions in tweets. 3. Nobody tweets about their hemorrhoids. Or abortion. Unless you're GoPro, good luck finding insights.

> 3. Nobody tweets about their hemorrhoids. Or abortion.

There's an informal support group that tweets about perinatal depression, OCD, and psychosis. This includes people who've taken the choice to have abortion (or even sterilisation) rather than go through what they went through before. ((Watch out, this is just an informal group and there's not much in the way of clinical or data governance.))

https://twitter.com/PNDandMe

Here's a british men's health magazine advertising itself with advice about hemorrhoid prevention: https://twitter.com/MensHealthMag/status/752076400102895616

I pretty much only tweet about treatment for mental illness.

I'm not sure how useful this kind of stuff is to other people.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by rtpg »

niftich wrote: post #25

It's such a shame, really; arguably Twitter, much more so than their competitors, tries to stick as close to the original form of their product as they can. I admire that. Facebook (and Instagram) and Snapchat have both transformed from their original incarnations, in ways that have improved the companies' valuation, but have not always improved the experience of users. It seems every single social network is trendin…

I remember way back when a lot of stuff was forums.

I think the communities are the most important part of these networks, and even if they all have feature parity, it's 100% fine for them to still exist independently.

I think Facebook and LinkedIn are a good example. You could basically do everything you do on LinkedIn on FB, but the communities are different so they stay different. Of course, LinkedIn accentuates different features, but both are mainly "Walls" with some messaging features and community building.

Though, I think you're very right in that Twitter is its own beast. Namely for the semi-public nature of it all.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by ohitsdom »

I loved Vine, it's a really interesting medium/format. But the userbase killed it for me. Young teenagers posting stupid clips with music edits about some boy band, TV show, or anime. I'm not interested in any of that. I liked the artsy clips, sports highlights, and comedy but it became increasingly difficult to find when using the app. I felt like an old man being somewhere he didn't belong. I still enjoy a funny Vine now and then, but I only see it when it pops up on my Twitter feed.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by acdha »

beagle3 wrote: post #39
niftich wrote: post #25

It's such a shame, really; arguably Twitter, much more so than their competitors, tries to stick as close to the original form of their product as they can. I admire that. Facebook (and Instagram) and Snapchat have both transformed from their original incarnations, in ways that have improved the companies' valuation, but have not always improved the experience of users. It seems every single social network is trendin…

Twitter just doesn't have an idea about where to evolve. They've tried small changes, and nothing helped their bottom line. Rumors are that part of the reason is that they are not sure what their "secret sauce" is, so they are reluctant to change anything in fear of harming it. Also, they are dying. They have never turned a profit. Facebook or Google or Microsoft will eventually buy them, because of the users - but t…

The big problem was that they're profitable at the hundreds-of-millions-per-quarter level but have been trying to spend into the billion+ range.

They uses to have tons of ideas and innovation until they locked the API in preparation for the IPO, but the ways they expected that to generate revenue obviously haven't happened at the scale they hoped for.

Their quarterly reports consistently show that the losses are caused by stock-based compensation and simply having staffed for a much larger business.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by macintux »

te_chris wrote: post #88
sneak wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (roughly) reverse-chronological list of text-message length posts'. Twitter went algorithmic timeline not too long ago, sadly. Fortunately, it can still be turned off - but is on by default.

You can turn it off??? This is the best news I've heard in ages.

FWIW, as far as I know it hasn't infected 3rd party clients, or at least Tweetbot is still unaffected.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by scholia »

beagle3 wrote: post #82
manigandham wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook or Google or Microsoft will eventually buy them, because of the users Those companies already have those same users.

Facebook had essentially all of WhatsApp's users, and they still paid $20B for it. I should have said "users and the time the spend on it".

On Device Research said the overlap was only 24% in the USA. 45% only used Facebook and 31% only used WhatsApp.

Also, WhatsApp was strong in some parts of the globe where Facebook was weaker. In particular, WhatsApp was used in mainland China where Facebook was banned.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

Thank god. While vine may have some significance, it's a wasteland of content, full of stupid crap, and unfunny memes that even /b/ would hate. I think that Thomas Sanders is one of the very few people on Vine actually producing interesting content. And most things on vine could be recreated as gifs with subtitles without missing much.
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