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Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by Dr_tldr »

pxlpshr wrote: post #7

The founders departed very early after the acquisition, like Rus and Dom. None of the 'top executives' were ever the original visionaries that created the product to begin with. It's sort of shocking that after Jack left but hailed back to save Twitter, that the board didn't have more wherewithal to retain the founding team of Vine. Textbook post-acquisition problem. I agree with other commenters that they should int…

Yeah, I'd have to agree. At this point, talking about Vine is almost (not yet, but almost) like talking about a subsidiary of Yahoo; whatever the unique problems of the child company, the parent company's dysfunction remains the primary issue.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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pxlpshr wrote: post #7

The founders departed very early after the acquisition, like Rus and Dom. None of the 'top executives' were ever the original visionaries that created the product to begin with. It's sort of shocking that after Jack left but hailed back to save Twitter, that the board didn't have more wherewithal to retain the founding team of Vine. Textbook post-acquisition problem. I agree with other commenters that they should int…

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Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by dkarapetyan »

I've seen this cycle a few times now. Just give it a merciful death (vine and twitter). Some things are meant to be ephemeral. I think vine and twitter are in that category. Just like a forest needs fires to be a healthy ecosystem. People should be more willing to let go of business ideas that see explosive growth but lack the business fundamentals to be sustainable.

Instead what's gonna happen is that it is going to be a slow and steady march of attrition until only the husk is left and people just feel sad every time either twitter and vine are mentioned.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by matt_wulfeck »

imsofuture wrote: post #3

That thing every time a 'startup' that never actually had a monetizable product makes headlines for not doing super awesome.

Twitter's firehose is extremely valuable data, just not at the lofty valuations the company was given.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by beefsack »

dkarapetyan wrote: post #14

I've seen this cycle a few times now. Just give it a merciful death (vine and twitter). Some things are meant to be ephemeral. I think vine and twitter are in that category. Just like a forest needs fires to be a healthy ecosystem. People should be more willing to let go of business ideas that see explosive growth but lack the business fundamentals to be sustainable. Instead what's gonna happen is that it is going to…

In particular reference to Twitter, I wonder if they tried to make a product out of what probably should have been a protocol.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by dkarapetyan »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #15
imsofuture wrote: post #3

That thing every time a 'startup' that never actually had a monetizable product makes headlines for not doing super awesome.

Twitter's firehose is extremely valuable data, just not at the lofty valuations the company was given.

What exactly is valuable about it? I keep hearing this but it is just a jumble of collective stream of consciousness. Has anyone that has read Ulysses actually made any sense of it? Twitter is the collective analog of Ulysses.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by dkarapetyan »

beefsack wrote: post #16
dkarapetyan wrote: post #14

I've seen this cycle a few times now. Just give it a merciful death (vine and twitter). Some things are meant to be ephemeral. I think vine and twitter are in that category. Just like a forest needs fires to be a healthy ecosystem. People should be more willing to let go of business ideas that see explosive growth but lack the business fundamentals to be sustainable. Instead what's gonna happen is that it is going to…

In particular reference to Twitter, I wonder if they tried to make a product out of what probably should have been a protocol.

I don't know. I think if they had souped up RSS they would have been in a much better position and maybe it would have been more sustainable but a long series of missteps has led them to this point. I think the biggest mistake they made was shutting down the developer ecosystem. They never recovered after that.

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by spydum »

dkarapetyan wrote: post #17
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter's firehose is extremely valuable data, just not at the lofty valuations the company was given.

What exactly is valuable about it? I keep hearing this but it is just a jumble of collective stream of consciousness. Has anyone that has read Ulysses actually made any sense of it? Twitter is the collective analog of Ulysses.

It can be pretty useful for sentiment analysis across large populations - for a lot of different purposes/clients

Re: Vine isn’t growing and most of its top executives have left

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Post by niftich »

dkarapetyan wrote: post #17
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter's firehose is extremely valuable data, just not at the lofty valuations the company was given.

What exactly is valuable about it? I keep hearing this but it is just a jumble of collective stream of consciousness. Has anyone that has read Ulysses actually made any sense of it? Twitter is the collective analog of Ulysses.

Trend forecasting, market analysis -- mineable data for purposes other than just display (their own) ads.

Shazam [1], a company that makes an app to identify songs recorded through the microphone, makes money off of figuring out which songs get a lot of interest. Twitter can do something similar, if they don't already.

[1] https://www.shazam.com/company

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