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Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by akerro »

joe5150 wrote: post #169
akerro wrote: post #31

Wow, think about it. On one side we have Elon Musk, who wants to build a city on Mars, make interplanetary travels quick and cheap and he's doing it, there are people who want to kill you for your skin or hair colour. There is PM of Portugal who decriminalised drugs (saying: "drugs break families and relations, and so is facebook. We're not going to ban facebook") and there is a president who kills drug addicts, peop…

can you explain how a city on Mars is meant to contrast with racism or...hair colorism(?).

Primitive opinions that harm random people against great futuristic ambitions that benefit everyone?

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Post by jacquesm »

type0 wrote: post #186
cocotino wrote: post #113

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History has proven that doing away with all the uncivilised people makes a society better. When the uncivilised people control a large amount of money, they control the power, and there's simply no hope of just fixing corruption as you propose. I think what this guy is proposing will prove to be a good idea with time, and you have his time as a mayor as an example. Even if a few innocents die. To make an omelette you…

Stop trolling already!

He's dead serious. Unfortunately.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by OoTheNigerian »

cornholio wrote: post #187
OoTheNigerian wrote: post #176

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He was clear with his methods BEFORE electios https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/09/philippines-el... Not the usual bait and switch. Like was pointed out, drug dealers are free to surrender. And some have done so. http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/09/16/thousands-of-drug-push... My own gripe is pontification of the west when it comes to the business of other countries.

West has all the right to "pontification" since only the West has thus far delivered a high standard of living coupled with respect for human rights. There are no shortcuts, there is no magic authoritarian fairy dus you can apply and leapfrog the West, we have tried it all and it always ended in disaster. We have seen time and time again, both in our societies and in the developing world, that authoritarianism is sel…

>West has all the right to "pontification" since only the West has thus far delivered a high standard of living coupled with respect for human rights.

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic. But I am sorry to inform you that "development" of the west was borne out or slave labour. It is just that simple.

The was did not get developed in the past 50 years. I know, it sounds so shocking, but it is true.

In 40 years when countries are going to be invaded for industrial pollution (that's if the concept o countries still exist) the "west" and people like you would be stating, " you can be developed industrially without polluting the environment".

The facts may be unpleasant, but they remain fact.

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Post by collyw »

croon wrote: post #99
pluma wrote: post #70

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As a non-American I find the Trump/Hillary rhetoric extremely weird. Many "liberals" seem to think Trump is Adolf Hitler reincarnate (which is absurd -- he's just a populist). Many "conservatives" seem to think Hillary is an "SJW" (which is equally absurd -- it's evident a lot of her more progressive stances are window dressing rather than deeply held convictions). Trump is an opportunistic buffoon, Hillary is cold a…

I agree with everything you say, apart from a part at the end. > ... and neither of them is going to openly do stupid drastic things like telling civilians to murder other people in the streets. Sure, that's valid. But while I'm no fan of Hillary, she is, as you said, cold and calculating, which I posit as the major difference between the two. Trump is hotheaded and impulsive, and while we'll never see him (knock on…

Trump just seems to say what his target demographic want to hear. Take the last mass shooting, he came out with the classic rhetoric :

"If everyone had guns..." and the crowd cheered.

If his target audience believed that killing drug dealers was a good idea, Trump would say it.

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Post by obj-g »

tajen wrote: post #152
pedalpete wrote: post #84

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Ok, let's look at this on an even playing field, which should be very doable with the atrocities befalling the US and somewhat indiscriminate killing of African Americans. Note: I'm not American and don't live in the US. African Americans have been killed by police, imprisoned as almost a racial policy (often resulting from petty drug offenses). So let's say there are an equal number of people killed on each side. 30…

> Why is USA better? It is attempting to face the tragedy and stop the killing. Is America attempting to stop the killing? I must have missed a chapter. Last time I've checked Obama was mourning the police officers who were killed and no national mourning was declared for the 500-600 corpses left by the police. And last time I've checked there is also still no trial for which Arabs get to die in Middle East under dro…

No national mourning has been declared for "500-600 corpses" because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police, people who resist arrest, etc. You act as if the police did a raid on Google and pulled all the black employees out and shot them execution style. That sort of thing is definitely not happening.

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Post by douche »

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #43

As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. He was clear about it and he is delivering on that mandate. I have to accept, he has made a PR error by not calling them terrorists. At which point, he will…

Sounds like the Philippines is moving left on the J-Curve[1]

[1] http://amzn.to/2a8EOCC

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Post by restalis »

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #176
restalis wrote: post #154

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"Are you/your ways superior to the people that voted him to do EXACTLY what he is doing?" Yes, people might have supported him to get results in a serious matter, but people did not (and neither they had the competence to) specify the details. Could he instead tell the masses to rattle out the drug dealers and the junkies so the law enforcement could apprehended them for future trials? No, here was a call for mass mu…

He was clear with his methods BEFORE electios https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/09/philippines-el... Not the usual bait and switch. Like was pointed out, drug dealers are free to surrender. And some have done so. http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/09/16/thousands-of-drug-push... My own gripe is pontification of the west when it comes to the business of other countries.

"Like was pointed out, drug dealers are free to surrender. And some have done so."

How is this an answer to preventing the worse of what currently is? The extrajudicial killings in the name of wiping out the drug problem can (and I presume that it also will) be abused to whatever means. If murder was present before, this president just made it a whole lot easier! "Killed? Oh, well! Probably just another bunch of drug dealers who didn't surrendered when they had the chance." Is this what you're supporting?

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Post by rbanffy »

lostlogin wrote: post #175
jister wrote: post #172

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Those related to drugs were killed during a buy-bust operation. And yes, there is judicial process but people will read more if the media highlights and writes about "extrajudicial killing" instead.

Can we assume the same rules will be applied to the whole population? Or will it just be applied to "them"?

Once you go there, it's really hard to come back.

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Post by meira »

jdimov10 wrote: post #171
norswap wrote: post #148

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Gotta love your brand of moral relativism.

Morals and ethics can only ever be relative / subjective / personal. Moral absolutism is the root of all evil.

Can we start the counter of americans that do nothing against the killings of black people or americans/europeans that don't care about their government killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions? Moral relativism.

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Post by krrrh »

deanCommie wrote: post #29
jmspring wrote: post #11

Not directly related to Phillipines, but an actual Bay Area addict case question...And honestly, I'm not sure of individuals current state (no arrest records)... Young female from out of area (some state) comes (homeless) to a town known for downward spirals. Arrested 20+ times over 2 years, mainly around meth addiction, but seriously mental. Local people reach out to family/friends of said individual via social medi…

Society. Society is responsible. The fact that people in the richest country in the world are still having this debate is appalling to Canadians and Western Europeans. Americans will be the last on this ship, but part of living in a prosperous 21st century society means giving up some liberty (in the form of taxes, limited access to guns, suffering additional government bureaucracy) for the knowledge that getting sic…

> appalling to Canadians and Western Europeans

Having lived in Vancouver's downtown east side, and spent time in the neighbourhoods of various Western European cities that have high addict and homeless populations, I find your moral superiority breathtaking.

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