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UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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"...fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth" Source?

If you loan people money and they don't pay it back you loose money...

Great. Now make the journey from here to there.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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It's always a tragedy when political maneuvering gets in the way of good science, and you know, advancing the human race.

The EU's retarding democracy and human progress; European growth is non-existent, the Euro is failing, and fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth. Britain has almost all of the world-class research universities in the European Union and they will thrive outside the EU. Edit with sources: EU real per capita GDP is flat after 10 years: http://ec.europa.…

Growth non-existent? Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but this would suggest otherwise... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union#...

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth" Source?

If you loan people money and they don't pay it back you loose money...

Not if they use your money to buy things from your country.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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I just finished an EU funded CompSci Masters degree in Wales, the poorest country in the UK and it's devastatingly sad to think that once the EU research funding stops, those opportunities will be gone forever for future students coming through the department. There aren't enough large tech companies in the area for there to be any sponsored degrees available, which probably means that when the funding finishes, the…

Private, endowment and British funds can make up for the EU. Getting out from under EU regulations and negotiating as a free agent is a better deal for most Brits. [ edit: must have touched a nerve. +1 to -4 in an instant. ]

If private endowment wanted to fund those researchers - they would have already done so, since they respond to market forces and not on charity towards North Wales.

The reason why the EU was providing funding was because market forces were unwilling to.

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Large Multinationals like Unilever, even for incremental decisions - like changing the type of light bulb, takes years to execute. This is why a large change in their business is so difficult and you need a very good CEO ( ask Marissa Mayer ) The decision UK made to leave the EU is akin for Unilever to switch from selling shampoos to selling software - and we are not talking about a multinational with 100,000 employe…

I think that the reaction will be simply to adopt minimal changes in the short term in ways in which Euro treaties and laws are brought wholesale onto Westminster statute books. Significant change will only occur over time and limbo is to be avoided where possible - not just for the UK, but for everyone else as well. This is the only thing that would make sense even if everything was planned and orderly, which I thin…

> I think that the reaction will be simply to adopt minimal changes in the short term in ways in which Euro treaties and laws are brought wholesale onto Westminster statute books

Assuming countries are willing to grant the UK alone the same terms as the EU as a whole, and don't (ab)use this chance to negotiate a better situation for themselves.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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A few months ago I attended the "Quantum Europe" conference in Amsterdam, where the new EU flagship project on quantum computing was kicked off and celebrated. With a total funding volume of 1 BN € this initiative is huge, and there are several British universities and research centers involved. Now with the BREXIT it's unclear whether they will be able to still participate in this project, which will start in 2018.…

So tell the EU to let British universities continue to participate regardless of EU membership.

If you believe they will say no for purely political reasons, then there's the problem. There are lots of academic collaborations that span the globe. It's only the EU that artificially ties quantum computing research to immigration policies.

edit: There is a massive amount of political downvoting going on in this thread. Voting is NOT intended to express agreement or disagreement.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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A few months ago I attended the "Quantum Europe" conference in Amsterdam, where the new EU flagship project on quantum computing was kicked off and celebrated. With a total funding volume of 1 BN € this initiative is huge, and there are several British universities and research centers involved. Now with the BREXIT it's unclear whether they will be able to still participate in this project, which will start in 2018.…

Horizon 2020 is 80 billion euros and non-members of EU have to pay quite a lot of money to participate (Switzerland paid 2.2 billion CHF [1])

http://www.sbfi.admin.ch/aktuell/medien/00483/00586/index.ht...

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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I just finished an EU funded CompSci Masters degree in Wales, the poorest country in the UK and it's devastatingly sad to think that once the EU research funding stops, those opportunities will be gone forever for future students coming through the department. There aren't enough large tech companies in the area for there to be any sponsored degrees available, which probably means that when the funding finishes, the…

Private, endowment and British funds can make up for the EU. Getting out from under EU regulations and negotiating as a free agent is a better deal for most Brits. [ edit: must have touched a nerve. +1 to -4 in an instant. ]

I don't doubt there are funds in the UK, but so far it's been far more common to rely on the EU for projects that require a longer or more nebulous time horizon, with little or no payback.

You only need to look at startup funding:

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2016/06/24/2167618/the-risk-to-uk...

And you realize there will be repercussions for funding and endowments too.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Wut? There are certain benefits you get by being a member of this club. I am leaving your club. Then you no longer get the benefits that members of the club get. YOU ARE UNFAIRLY PUNISHING ME!!!!

It makes no sense for relations between countries to be structured as an exclusive "club". This just retards progress and leads to stagnation when it becomes impossible to get all the members of the "club" to agree.

It makes every bit of sense. When governments differ, the laws differ, and the free exchange of research money is slowed.

When you're in the same "club" you can be assured of how things will go. When a country decides that it wants to leave the club because they want to have their own rules that are different, and that they don't want to share finances, then that makes agreements take longer.

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