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UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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A lot of these concerns have been dismissed as "fearmongering". This case shows that whether the fear is justified or not, it affects the behaviour both in the UK and out.

This is the real reason experts were warning about the consequences: perception trumps reality. There may not be a direct impact, but the fear of an impact affects behaviour which in turn can create the exact impact itself.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

#32

Large Multinationals like Unilever, even for incremental decisions - like changing the type of light bulb, takes years to execute. This is why a large change in their business is so difficult and you need a very good CEO ( ask Marissa Mayer ) The decision UK made to leave the EU is akin for Unilever to switch from selling shampoos to selling software - and we are not talking about a multinational with 100,000 employe…

I think that the reaction will be simply to adopt minimal changes in the short term in ways in which Euro treaties and laws are brought wholesale onto Westminster statute books. Significant change will only occur over time and limbo is to be avoided where possible - not just for the UK, but for everyone else as well. This is the only thing that would make sense even if everything was planned and orderly, which I think we can all agree is not the case.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so?

I'm assuming because country of residence / citizenship of the Principal Investigators is a selection criteria for grants? (Someone can you verify? This is unfortunate...)

To receive EU grants, your research organisation needs to be in the EU. Isn't it the same everywhere else?

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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It's always a tragedy when political maneuvering gets in the way of good science, and you know, advancing the human race.

The EU's retarding democracy and human progress; European growth is non-existent, the Euro is failing, and fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth. Britain has almost all of the world-class research universities in the European Union and they will thrive outside the EU. Edit with sources: EU real per capita GDP is flat after 10 years: http://ec.europa.…

That's a big list of hyperbolic and controversial positions. I normally don't demand citations, but in this case...

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU's retarding democracy and human progress; European growth is non-existent, the Euro is failing, and fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth. Britain has almost all of the world-class research universities in the European Union and they will thrive outside the EU. Edit with sources: EU real per capita GDP is flat after 10 years: http://ec.europa.…

"...fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth" Source?

If you loan people money and they don't pay it back you loose money...

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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It's always a tragedy when political maneuvering gets in the way of good science, and you know, advancing the human race.

The EU's retarding democracy and human progress; European growth is non-existent, the Euro is failing, and fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth. Britain has almost all of the world-class research universities in the European Union and they will thrive outside the EU. Edit with sources: EU real per capita GDP is flat after 10 years: http://ec.europa.…

> fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British

The fact that Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual devalue the Euro below where a deutsche mark would be is a major component of Germany's success as an exporter over the last decade, and conversely those countries' inability to devalue their currency has caused them a great deal of pain.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Is it really likely that Oxford, Cambridge and other Russell Group universities are no longer going to be allowed to do Science alongside European universities? Is Theresa May and the conservative government against investing in Science? It seems to me that most of this is is just knee-jerking, and it's likely that there are quite a few people who will work to ensure that things continue to work as they should. Edit:…

They'll of course be allowed to do the research - the question is who is going to pay for it as much of the funding comes from the EU.

EU money doesn't come out of thin air. It comes from taxpayers. The UK is a net contributor to the EU so the UK government could choose to fund all current commitments and still be better off.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

#39

Again, this is exactly what was expected and we were told by the experts.

Exactly, they warned that the EU would be as punitive as possible. Their reaction to Brexit it shows that was necessary.

Wut?

There are certain benefits you get by being a member of this club.

I am leaving your club.

Then you no longer get the benefits that members of the club get.

YOU ARE UNFAIRLY PUNISHING ME!!!!

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