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Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Post by tosseraccount »

codecurve wrote: post #25

I just finished an EU funded CompSci Masters degree in Wales, the poorest country in the UK and it's devastatingly sad to think that once the EU research funding stops, those opportunities will be gone forever for future students coming through the department. There aren't enough large tech companies in the area for there to be any sponsored degrees available, which probably means that when the funding finishes, the…

Private, endowment and British funds can make up for the EU. Getting out from under EU regulations and negotiating as a free agent is a better deal for most Brits.

[ edit: must have touched a nerve. +1 to -4 in an instant. ]

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Post by sievebrain »

mpweiher wrote: post #39
mason240 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, they warned that the EU would be as punitive as possible. Their reaction to Brexit it shows that was necessary.

Wut? There are certain benefits you get by being a member of this club. I am leaving your club. Then you no longer get the benefits that members of the club get. YOU ARE UNFAIRLY PUNISHING ME!!!!

It makes no sense for relations between countries to be structured as an exclusive "club". This just retards progress and leads to stagnation when it becomes impossible to get all the members of the "club" to agree.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Post by wrong_variable »

hardlianotion wrote: post #32
wrong_variable wrote: post #19

Large Multinationals like Unilever, even for incremental decisions - like changing the type of light bulb, takes years to execute. This is why a large change in their business is so difficult and you need a very good CEO ( ask Marissa Mayer ) The decision UK made to leave the EU is akin for Unilever to switch from selling shampoos to selling software - and we are not talking about a multinational with 100,000 employe…

I think that the reaction will be simply to adopt minimal changes in the short term in ways in which Euro treaties and laws are brought wholesale onto Westminster statute books. Significant change will only occur over time and limbo is to be avoided where possible - not just for the UK, but for everyone else as well. This is the only thing that would make sense even if everything was planned and orderly, which I thin…

If I am not mistaken - individual countries are not willing to negotiate trade treaties before the UK invokes article 50.

Even if by some miracle Theresa May decides to withhold invoking article 50 before creating new treaties using back channels with the 50 other trading partners of the UK, it wont be possible to enact them until the UK leaves the EU and negotiates a new trade deal with the EU.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Post by iaskwhy »

endeavour wrote: post #43
m_fayer wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a big list of hyperbolic and controversial positions. I normally don't demand citations, but in this case...

See how far you have to scroll down the list to find an university inside the EU (excluding the UK). https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin...

Saving you a click: #28 Karolinska Institute, Sweden.

Also: "The Times Higher Education (THE), formerly the Times Higher Education Supplement (THES), is a weekly magazine based in London, reporting specifically on news and issues related to higher education. It is the United Kingdom's leading publication in its field."[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Higher_Education

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Post by jerf »

vmateixeira wrote: post #30
ckinnan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU's retarding democracy and human progress; European growth is non-existent, the Euro is failing, and fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth. Britain has almost all of the world-class research universities in the European Union and they will thrive outside the EU. Edit with sources: EU real per capita GDP is flat after 10 years: http://ec.europa.…

"...fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth" Source?

Every conversation we've had about the EU for the last five years or so. The entire world has been talking about the relative lack of wisdom of trying to hold the entire EU to one currency for a long time, financial mismanagement, Germany strong-arming Greece into plans not good for them while Greece holds the threat of leaving over the entire EU to get better deals, and all sorts of such financial issues for a long time now. Speculations that the EU was on the path to a breakup have been rampant for years, even before immigration issues were being discussed. Only now that the breakup might actually be happening is it a total surprise to everyone.

(I'm surprised more people aren't celebrating Brexit. Before Brexit, the EU had all kinds of problems. Now suddenly they've all been solved, apparently. The selfless sacrifice of the UK should be celebrated by the EU, since apparently all the bad stuff is going to happen to the UK, alone. That's the problem with the "turn up the heat" approach to making people do things in politics; it may make people more likely to do things, but not necessarily the things you wanted.)

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Post by sievebrain »

codecurve wrote: post #25

I just finished an EU funded CompSci Masters degree in Wales, the poorest country in the UK and it's devastatingly sad to think that once the EU research funding stops, those opportunities will be gone forever for future students coming through the department. There aren't enough large tech companies in the area for there to be any sponsored degrees available, which probably means that when the funding finishes, the…

You're talking about a government that recently made computer programming class a mandatory part of the high school curriculum. Your leap from "UK exits the EU" to "there will no longer be funding for computer science research" is based purely on your own emotions, not rational analysis. Like so much else I hear from pro-EU people these days.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Post by creshal »

tosseraccount wrote: post #51
codecurve wrote: post #25

I just finished an EU funded CompSci Masters degree in Wales, the poorest country in the UK and it's devastatingly sad to think that once the EU research funding stops, those opportunities will be gone forever for future students coming through the department. There aren't enough large tech companies in the area for there to be any sponsored degrees available, which probably means that when the funding finishes, the…

Private, endowment and British funds can make up for the EU. Getting out from under EU regulations and negotiating as a free agent is a better deal for most Brits. [ edit: must have touched a nerve. +1 to -4 in an instant. ]

> Private, endowment […] funds can make up for the EU

Ah, yes. Private charities providing public services, the driving force behind the rise of communism in the 19th century.

> Getting out from under EU regulations and negotiating as a free agent is a better deal for most Brits.

People keep saying that, but why? Britain is now in a much worse negotiation position than before.

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Post by peteretep »

tosseraccount wrote: post #51
codecurve wrote: post #25

I just finished an EU funded CompSci Masters degree in Wales, the poorest country in the UK and it's devastatingly sad to think that once the EU research funding stops, those opportunities will be gone forever for future students coming through the department. There aren't enough large tech companies in the area for there to be any sponsored degrees available, which probably means that when the funding finishes, the…

Private, endowment and British funds can make up for the EU. Getting out from under EU regulations and negotiating as a free agent is a better deal for most Brits. [ edit: must have touched a nerve. +1 to -4 in an instant. ]

Could you specify some of the "EU regulations" that we should be getting out from under?

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Post by vmateixeira »

setra wrote: post #36
vmateixeira wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...fiscal and banking mismanagement in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth" Source?

If you loan people money and they don't pay it back you loose money...

When is Britain loosing money? Regarding Portugal, all I can see is a really nice investment [1] and being paid back with [2]. Which means EU lenders are actually profiting.

[1] http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-portugal-imf-repayment-idUK...

[2] https://ycharts.com/indicators/portugal_long_term_interest_r...

Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

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Post by philk10 »

codecurve wrote: post #25

I just finished an EU funded CompSci Masters degree in Wales, the poorest country in the UK and it's devastatingly sad to think that once the EU research funding stops, those opportunities will be gone forever for future students coming through the department. There aren't enough large tech companies in the area for there to be any sponsored degrees available, which probably means that when the funding finishes, the…

and that £350m a week that is supposedly sent to the EU is more like £140m
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