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How we're scammed into eating phony food

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Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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Here is a really good example of food differences between USA and Europe. Something as simple as eggs: http://www.thejournal.ie/refrigerate-eggs-usa-europe-1809120... TLDR: European regulations force more stringent regulations on producers of eggs; therefore eggs are cleaner and you can store them for weeks without refrigeration. IMHO they've also got a much nicer colour.

You can store European eggs for longer because they're unwashed, precisely because they're dirtier . It's a value judgement, and I don't think it should be regulated either way.

They can be sold dirtier because the chickens live in a cleaner environment. They have to be washed in the US because they're not sellable otherwise.

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Here is a really good example of food differences between USA and Europe. Something as simple as eggs: http://www.thejournal.ie/refrigerate-eggs-usa-europe-1809120... TLDR: European regulations force more stringent regulations on producers of eggs; therefore eggs are cleaner and you can store them for weeks without refrigeration. IMHO they've also got a much nicer colour.

This is why eggs in Denmark (as of my last visit) cost approximately 1.5x to 2.0x as much as eggs in the USA. There is a cost to having free-range eggs. There's a cost to controlling egg-quality so they can remain unwashed, and unrefrigerated for days. Now in the US, you can choose if you want to pay that cost and thus shop at different supermarkets that cater to your tastes. In the EU countries, you must pay the cos…

The problem with your suggestion is information. The difference in quality is not in any way made available to the consumer. Terms people believe to indicate quality mean basically nothing, as indicated in this article. These cheap products, which are often the only choice, are intentionally advertised as the higher-quality product. So, no, it is not a matter of Americans having more options. They're being openly deceived, while their regulatory agencies are intentionally dismantled.

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This story reminds me of the episode on This American Life on doppelgangers, specifically on Calamari Rings. A warning, if you like Calamri Rings, ignorance is bliss. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/484/d...

That illustration of the pig is priceless

I believe you can purchase that illustration as a print for wall decoration purposes. It will be quite a conversation starter.

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The article is filled with mistakes and misunderstandings or maybe this guy eats in really terrible places: Spanish people weren't buying "fake olive oil" when poisoned. This was canola oil, was advertised as canola oil, and everybody in Spain can spot the difference among the wine and cider or between the cheapest olive oil and other vegetable oils. All this paragraph is false, including the “No one is checking, Olm…

What's the deal with milk?

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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Of all the foods to call out, you choose pizza?? Name any pizza joint outside of Naples, and I bet I can find half a dozen in the US that have a superior take on the style.

Pizza is a good key here in my mind because if you consider what americans call 'deep dish' pizza - the rest of the world calls that a flan/quiche/tart/pie. And then there is the insistence on calling all pizzas, 'pizza pie'. Pizza and Pie are two different foods, with very little in common besides dough and an oven. > superior take on the style. Im sure there are people who would tell me the same about american beer…

> american beer

Is superior to almost all other beer, aside from a few outliers, such as the stuff the Trappist monks produce. It's all subjective though, because what you (general you) think tastes good, tastes like watered down swill to my taste buds, or just nasty (Czech beer for instance).

Our cheeses are rather good too, though not the pre-packed brand name stuff.

Really, the thing is, the US is huge, and there are a lot of mom and pop, or small time businesses that are local or regional. People come visit here, go to a chain store, and think that Kraft is the only cheese we sell, or see Budweiser and think that's the only swill we make. No, craft beers here blow all of your brand name beers away, hands down. (all IMO, of course)

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It cannot be, that's the point. If Sri Lanka exports tea as "Darjeeling", it's automatically fake.

Sure, just like how maize grown outside of the Americas is 'fake' and all of those tomatoes that posters upthread have been raving about are 'fake'. There is a difference between a varietal which a region was initially known for (and which early trading used as a tag for that varietal) and something which can at least make a minor claim regarding the region producing some flavour component which makes it unique. Are…

It's not fake tea, it's fake darjeeling as darjeeling, just like champagne denotes an area where the crops were grown, not where the crops originated.

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We're trying to end this. Open Food Facts is an open, collaborative effort to try to make more sense of food and food packagings. A bit like Wikipedia, but for food. Using smartphones, you can scan any food item and get detailed and structured data about what you're about to buy/eat. If the item is not yet in the database, you can help by taking a picture, so that next time there will be detailed facts. You can perus…

Wait, how does your website take care of this problem? I clicked on a few items, and it just seemed to list the ingredients and nutritional information.

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I'm not so sure. People are still sure that MSG will slowly kill them, when it's actually been proven to be 100% harmless as far as we know. You still see "No MSG" labels on tons of food. Mandatory labeling gives the impression that it's relevant information. Whether your food is GMO is totally without consequence. I don't see why the government should burden and mislead the rest of us so you can more easily wage you…

The scientific literature doesn't show MSG to be completely harmless. Some people definitely have negative reactions it and other sources of free glutamates. Eg http://www.livescience.com/47931-msg-not-safe-for-everyone.h... Copying from Wikipedia: >"Excitotoxicity is the pathological process by which nerve cells are damaged or killed by excessive stimulation by neurotransmitters such as glutamate and similar substan…

> Some people definitely have negative reactions it and other sources of free glutamates.

And some people have an allergy to water. I think GP meant "harmless" as referring to general population. There are always people who are allergic or otherwise harmed by things that are harmless to the 99.99% of humanity. Additional labeling might be justified if their number grows beyond a rounding error. And that still doesn't change the fact that unless you're the confirmed rare case for which X is harmful, you have no reason to fear it or to believe (and spread) misconceptions about it.

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My family raises grass-fed beef and sadly, this article is spot-on when it comes to the lack of consistency with that product.

We know of farmers who go to cattle auctions and buy the cheapest steers they can find -- often sick and/or emaciated ones coming from farms in financial distress -- then fatten them up on grain while giving them pasture to forage, and sell it as grass-fed at farmer's markets. Just install a pretty girl in a tank top and a Realtree baseball cap at your booth and it all goes off without a hitch.

A good rule of thumb is that 1 acre of grass supports 1 head of herd. When you go to the farmer's market, ask the people selling you beef what their herd size is and how many acres they have under pasture. They should know these numbers cold. They should be ready to talk your ear off about how much of a pain in the ass haying is. They should know how calving is going and how many calves they've lost this year.

It is very possible, easy in fact, to raise animals (or vegetables) in toxic conditions and turn around and sell into farmers' markets. If you want clean food the answer is simple; buy into CSAs with farms run by people you trust. They should be willing to let you come to the farm, walk around, ask questions. Many of the best farms are not certified organic because they smartly use stuff like potash that is cheaper, makes better vegetables, and ecologically way better than organic equivalents when used in the right amounts.

I find it interesting that much of the discussion on this thread has centered on enforced standards. There has never been good enforcement of governmentally-sanctioned standards pertaining to high quality farm produce in the US. Certain private organizations are OK but the people administering them tend to be assholes so that results in a lot of farms (including ours) doing things the right way and selling to people who trust us, without getting formal certification.

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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So, so many of our problems are caused by profit motivated people poisoning the well for themselves and others.

It is truly a shame that our culture is so motivated by money over doing the right thing.

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Also, this article makes it sound exhausting to buy real food. :(

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