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How we're scammed into eating phony food

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Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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> Perhaps most surprising of all: discount big-box stores such as Costco, Trader Joe’s, BJ’s Wholesale Club and Walmart are as stringent with their standards as Whole Foods.

That's not really all that surprising: they are large enterprises and have the economies of scale to ensure that they are selling authentic food.

What I'd like to see is police resources directed away from the War on Some Drugs and towards this sort of fraud, which is an actual crime with actual victims.

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Because currently the USDA and FDA equivalents in EU actually work, and the laws that require food inspections are stricter. The worry is that TTIP market access policies will force uniform, lowest-common-denominator rules, eliminating european food QA policies.

Here is a really good example of food differences between USA and Europe. Something as simple as eggs: http://www.thejournal.ie/refrigerate-eggs-usa-europe-1809120... TLDR: European regulations force more stringent regulations on producers of eggs; therefore eggs are cleaner and you can store them for weeks without refrigeration. IMHO they've also got a much nicer colour.

This is why eggs in Denmark (as of my last visit) cost approximately 1.5x to 2.0x as much as eggs in the USA.

There is a cost to having free-range eggs. There's a cost to controlling egg-quality so they can remain unwashed, and unrefrigerated for days.

Now in the US, you can choose if you want to pay that cost and thus shop at different supermarkets that cater to your tastes. In the EU countries, you must pay the cost because its mandated by the government.

If you'd prefer blander food, that requires more refrigeration, and deeper cooking because its inexpensive... you can't make that choice. It's taken away from you by the government.

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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For what it's worth, I live Ireland and moved here after 30 years in the US. I agree that the TTIP is a terrible idea (and feels a bit like imperialism chasing after me as I exit). Food on the continent is a sheer delight for the senses. However, if you visit this fine emerald isle, you will find the US has no monopoly on bland, mildly sweet food. (To be fair, we _do_ have some pretty great cheese)

I'm ethnically Indian, and grew up in London. So I'm used to having good Indian food both at home and in restaurants. I recently visited Dublin for the first time, and picked an Indian restaurant based on Yelp ratings/reviews. I've never eaten worse Indian food than I did that day. I don't believe that the restaurant operators are unable to make OK food. They were Indian themselves. Perhaps they had to change their f…

I think there is some adjustment happening, and I've never had great Indian food here. It's certainly not as large a part of the cuisine as it is in London.

I find the same thing happening with Mexican food with regards to dulled flavours.

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I am not certain about this, but I think Sri Lanka is one of the largest exporters of Darjeeling Tea.

It cannot be, that's the point. If Sri Lanka exports tea as "Darjeeling", it's automatically fake.

Sure, just like how maize grown outside of the Americas is 'fake' and all of those tomatoes that posters upthread have been raving about are 'fake'. There is a difference between a varietal which a region was initially known for (and which early trading used as a tag for that varietal) and something which can at least make a minor claim regarding the region producing some flavour component which makes it unique.

Are all French wines 'fake' since the rootstock all came over from the US? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_French_Wine_Blight]

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> Pies of all kinds, fish 'n' chips, traditional sausages, good old roast dinners, chicken tikka masala Sort of makes my point. None of these have anybody (of statistically significant percentage) outside the UK salivating, or have ever created something like a "British restaurant" to be found abroad (like there are French or Italian restaurants everywhere). And even the best of this list was invented by taking from…

> None of these have anybody (of statistically significant percentage) outside the UK salivating Have you ever tried a traditional English pie? I'm a bit biased obviously, but as an anecdote my Italian co-worker who moved here recently absolutely loves them (and I can't help but say 'who ate all the pies, guido?' to him). They don't have that kind of pastry in their cuisine at all and he can't get enough of them. It'…

> They don't have that kind of pastry in their cuisine at all and he can't get enough of them.

Well, Italians have pastry in their cuisine — but they boil it and call it pasta grin

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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I came across a great article from 1946 by George Orwell, where he both explains the problems of British food, and comes to its defence: http://theorwellprize.co.uk/george-orwell/by-orwell/essays-a... I think I blame the British connection for some of the issues with American food: overly sweet, fish without bones, little seafood, etc.

A summary of the problems of British food from 1986 would no longer be applicable. One from 1946, even less so.

True enough — but it explains where British food got its bad reputation from. As it happens, real British food is delicious: savoury, flavourful and just generally wonderful.

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Yes, this is a huge worry for me. The quality of food in the US is atrocious. When I was there, almost nothing tasted as it should, everything tasted bland and mildly sweet. The only way I found to get decent meat was to buy ultra-posh organic stuff at ridiculous prices, and then it would be no more than on par with the cheapest meat I could buy in Spain. Even chocolate is affected! TTIP is one of the worst things th…

Unrelated, but I was just debating GMO labels on "change my view" on reddit. I admit I was trolling that if GMO are healthy, then ultimately there is no harm in a neutral label. My comments got downvoted very hard. It boiled down that those labels would essentially be a form of misinformation, or that the uneducated public would make uninformed decisions. I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but the post got 400 comme…

The problem with GMO labeling is that the same people who now say "if it's safe, there's no harm in a neutral label" will latter say, "if it's not unhealthy, why are you being forced by law to put a label about it"?

I wouldn't mind GMO labels at all - hell, I'd buy primarily GMO-containing products on purpose, out of spite. But there's enough insanity going on about the labels we already have (e.g. E-numbers paranoia) that I don't think labeling GMOs will end well.

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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A nation of 300 000 000, spanning 4-5 time-zones, 5-6 climate ones and not a single person with functioning taste buds ... what a tragedy /s The blandification and sugarification in the supermarket isles does not represent everything a territory has to offer in the culinary department.

But does have a tremendous effect on the food. Of course you can get good food in the US I have been to many restaurants that were both good in an absolute sense and good value. But you know that there is something wrong when children say "I can't eat this it's too sweet" which is what happened to me when I took my family with me to North Carolina for an extended business trip. In the supermarkets almost everything y…

The problem here is that you do not know how to shop or find a decent restaurant. I can find truly bad food anywhere in the world, the US does not have any sort of monopoly on this.

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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> For UK of course it's even worse, they're actively known for the bad taste and cuisine. That's a myth that's refusing to die, it's not true at all.

In what ways? Where in the world do they care for British cuisine?

> Where in the world do they care for British cuisine?

Ever eaten pot roast? That's British food. Ever eaten a roast potato? That's British food. Ever eaten cheese, mushrooms, roast beef or rabbit? Those are all British foods.

British food, properly done (i.e., not the result of WWII rationing or Victorian institutionalisation) is savoury and earthy: roasts, onions, cheeses, mushrooms, potatoes, carrots, turnips. It is hearty and filling, and goes well with the native ale. It's delicious.

Don't knock what you haven't had.

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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For what it's worth, I live Ireland and moved here after 30 years in the US. I agree that the TTIP is a terrible idea (and feels a bit like imperialism chasing after me as I exit). Food on the continent is a sheer delight for the senses. However, if you visit this fine emerald isle, you will find the US has no monopoly on bland, mildly sweet food. (To be fair, we _do_ have some pretty great cheese)

> However, if you visit this fine emerald isle, you will find the US has no monopoly on bland, mildly sweet food. Well, apart from whisky, nobody ever considered Ireland a place for good food. For UK of course it's even worse, they're actively known for the bad taste and cuisine.

> For UK of course it's even worse, they're actively known for the bad taste and cuisine.

Only by people who've no idea what they're talking about. British food got a bad reputation due to, I think, three factors: first, it's the native cuisine of the English-speaking world (which means both that people don't notice it and that there are a lot of cheap, poorly-executed examples to hand); second, rationing during and after the Second World War badly hurt both availability of ingredients and folks' taste for ingredients; third, Victorian-era institutions were terribly efficient at churning out 'scientific,' 'cutting-edge' food-like substances which were almost but not quite entirely unlike the real article.

Native English, Welsh, Scottish & Irish cuisines are all delicious.

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