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Amazon's Chinese Counterfeit Problem Is Getting Worse

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Re: Amazon's Chinese Counterfeit Problem Is Getting Worse

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I get the feeling that Chinese businesses (who are making the real products as well) are shouting to the American consumer "you are getting ripped off, here's how much these products cost without a huge profit margin." There are plenty of low quality fakes, but as Jack Ma said, some are better than the licenced versions.

There's no incentive for the Chinese knock-offs to have good quality. The only incentive is to produce cheap to raise the profit margin.

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post #120

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The Wayfarers and Aviators are all produced exclusively in Italy. It is not hard to tell fake Luxotticas.

No longer true; earlier this year I ordered a pair of aviators[1] from Ray-Ban directly (to avoid precisely what this entire thread is about), and they were made in China. [1]: http://www.ray-ban.com/usa/sunglasses/RB8307%20MALE%20011-av...

Ray-Ban auto-redirects away from the US site because I am not in the US. Swell...

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post #106

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You ordered a cheap jacket and the quality of the jacket you received was commensurate with the price and met your expectations. What is the irony?

the irony is that I ordered a cheap generic jacket and got a cheap counterfeit jacket. meaning I was OK with generic Chinese merchandise, but it is more convenient for them to supply counterfeits than to produce something actually white-labeled.

Why would it be cheaper to design, make and sell two different jackets versus one?

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post #103

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> "savoir faire" I don't understand this phrase. All the definitions i found seem to be about personal behavior. Is there an alternate definition? What are you trying to convey?

"know how" in French

In french is the term restricted to an individual? All of the definitions I found see me to relate to "know how react/behave according to prevailing social rules", eg: "the ability to behave in a correct and confident way in different situations".

OP seemed to be referring to technical competency for an entire industry.

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post #118

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Maybe they're better at tracking now, but at least while I was there tracking them down was a massive problem.

You worked for Amazon, or you were a seller? My info comes from https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=... , which says commingled stuff is tracked by seller under "How Amazon Tracks Stickerless, Commingled Inventory".

While Amazon does clearly state under the heading you gave that they do track commingled inventory, they do not explain how. It is still possible that doing so presents a 'massive problem' as the previous comment, apparently from an ex-Amazon employee states.

On the face of it, I cannot see how it would present a problem, except for the obvious one of scale. It would be interesting to learn the precise details of how Amazon implements its tracking policy.

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post #124

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"know how" in French

In french is the term restricted to an individual? All of the definitions I found see me to relate to "know how react/behave according to prevailing social rules", eg: "the ability to behave in a correct and confident way in different situations". OP seemed to be referring to technical competency for an entire industry.

I've only ever heard it used in the context of an individual, along the lines of "does this guy have the know-how to lead the dev team?".

Re: Amazon's Chinese Counterfeit Problem Is Getting Worse

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Every time I see counterfeit power adapters/chargers on Amazon I wonder why the original maker–e.g. Apple–doesn’t lean on Amazon to stop the sale of those. Additionally, if someone dies or a house burns down[0], couldn’t that open Amazon to lawsuits? [0] http://www.righto.com/2014/05/a-look-inside-ipad-chargers-pr...

Because there's no easy way of telling if they are fake. What if they bought a bunch at the Apple store and are selling them at a lower price to get rid of the inventory?

Sometimes it is very easy to tell but Amazon will ship it to customers anyway. Imagine you are looking for a "85W MagSafe 2 Power Adapter" for a MacBook Pro at Amazon.com. First link after search for "apple power adapter for macbook pro" goes to:

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-MagSafe-Adapter-MacBook-Display...

Now read this review (verified purchase):

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RNA9AYHGA5JG0/ref...

Re: Amazon's Chinese Counterfeit Problem Is Getting Worse

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post #63

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Co-mingling isn't set by default (or wasn't last I was selling a couple months ago), you have to select it, and it can be bad news for a seller (one seller got banned from amazon and had to pay to destroy or ship home 50k products because one of the items in the stack that got sold "by him" was counterfeit)

I assume you're referencing https://startupnation.com/start-your-business/plan-your-busi... , which I've seen referenced a couple times as an Amazon seller. There are a couple of problems with his story. First, Amazon denied it was due to comingling: "I’m just calling to inform you that there were no other sellers of that item that were in the co-mingling program" Second, he apparently didn't show up to the lawsuit a…

Good information, none of which I was aware of, thanks for the link!

Re: Amazon's Chinese Counterfeit Problem Is Getting Worse

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post #123

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the irony is that I ordered a cheap generic jacket and got a cheap counterfeit jacket. meaning I was OK with generic Chinese merchandise, but it is more convenient for them to supply counterfeits than to produce something actually white-labeled.

Why would it be cheaper to design, make and sell two different jackets versus one?

Well Yes. That's the irony. If you had even minimal trademark enforcement, the risk ratio would encourage you to manufacture and sell white label and counterfeit jackets as separate firewalled vendors. So one could be shut down without effecting the other. Here the risk is clearly so low they don't even bother... or maybe they have firewalled vendors and the cost of setting up a generic vendor is so low that its less than the dual manufacturing pipeline... either way that's the irony.
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