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Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer

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Even being a fictional character Holder Caulfield seems to be way smarter and remarkably clear thinking fellow compared to modern cosplaying hipsters.

Holden Caulfield is principally a narcissist.

Who said so? What are the evidences?

Not his always looking at the mirror roommate? Not all these silly girls? Not the snobs at clubs?

Come on.

Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer

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He wrote FAT on an airplane. Make of that what you will.

I'm surprised his battery lasted that long.

I wouldn't be suprised if he had written the whole thing ON PAPER, and then just re-type it to a computer.

Also, there is known story that Gates and Allen wrote BASIC compiler for some obscure microprocessor without having access to an actual thing, just paper spec. So they wrote emulator first, then compiler and guess what? when run on the real processor it worked like a charm from first try.

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> I can say that almost all rapists are men. Obviously a tangent, but this strongly depends on how you define rape. Recent CDC studies find that a huge number of men report being "made to penetrate" women against their will. Most normal people would classify this (sex against your will) as rape, but the CDC only classified it as "sexual assault". Unsurprisingly, if you define men being forced to have sex with women a…

You're right that sex should be about a sober uncoerced "yes", rather than just an absence of "no", and that society needs to do a lot more to protect men. This narrow point is something that feminists and MRAs should be able to agree on. It benefits both of their groupings. The extreme end of MRA that rejects all rape statistics, and tries to suggest that rape (in all parts of the world, not just the US) has more ma…

>Women can be perpetrators of the equally serious crime of assault by penetration. Men can be the victims of rape or assault by penetration

But the point being that a woman forcing a man to have sex counts as none of those things. It only ends up in that list if she sticks something in his butt.

Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer

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You're right that sex should be about a sober uncoerced "yes", rather than just an absence of "no", and that society needs to do a lot more to protect men. This narrow point is something that feminists and MRAs should be able to agree on. It benefits both of their groupings. The extreme end of MRA that rejects all rape statistics, and tries to suggest that rape (in all parts of the world, not just the US) has more ma…

>Women can be perpetrators of the equally serious crime of assault by penetration. Men can be the victims of rape or assault by penetration But the point being that a woman forcing a man to have sex counts as none of those things. It only ends up in that list if she sticks something in his butt.

Sure, but the lesser (but still serious) offence of sexual assault is very clearly defined, non-gendered in law, and while subject to more under-reporting and under-recording of male victims is still mostly male perpetrators and female victims. That's unlikely to change even if every victim is accurately reported and recorded, or if the English and Welsh crime of rape is expanded to "non consensual sex".

Your use of "force" here is unhelpful. We know that juries don't convict because they feel that force is necessary for rape - thus women who don't fight back are not seen by juries to have been forced into sex.

It's much better for us to focus on consent, and to educate people that consent can't involve coercion.

That recognises the under-conviction of rape for women victims; and it also promotes the rights of men to not consent to sex and to have that recognized as the abusive crime that it is.

My aim here - just in case it's not clear - is to make it easier for men to report crimes committed against them, and to make law enforcement record those crimes, and to make juries convict those crimes. I also want to make those things happen for female victims. (And here where I use male / female I don't want to limit to a gender binary).

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Given the rate that autism is showing up nowadays, it seems like spectrum disorders are over-diagnosed. People who were once just odd-balls or non-social are now being lumped in with people who have moderate to severe issues, and it's to the detriment of both groups.

As someone on the spectrum I don't see it as a detriment. Despite a seemingly vast difference between a high-functioning engineer and a low-functioning child, the strategies for improving the quality of life are pretty much the same. Routine, sensory stuff, avoiding meltdowns, recognizing emotions, all that stuff - it's as real for a brilliant but eccentric programmer as it's real for a non-verbal kid with no particu…

I'm glad to hear you disagree! My concern is that people who might be borderline-or-not-really-spectrum (if that makes sense) will cause people to look at ASD individuals and say, 'well he gets along alright, you're obviously just not trying hard enough.' Despite our best efforts, mental health is a tough topic to educate people on. I still hear 'she's just sulking' to refer to people with severe depression, and it makes me quite sad.

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What's a "spergy"?

"Sperg" is a derogatory term for people with Aspergers. Jackmott clearly means well, but it's odd to use it in this context.

I self identify as a sperg lord. The term is hilarious to me at least (wait.. not realizing something is offensive is a sign of Aspergers?)

Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer

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post #48

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Well gates and Allen wrote the original basic interpreter together.

Someone named "Monte Davidoff" seems to have helped them.

I was referring to the original Microsoft basic, not basic itself. I can understand the confusion.

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What's the myth that's being "dispelled"? I see the "Alex St. John's infamous PowerPoint" image, pasted in the article, as more valuable than the entire article. St John is harsh an direct, and seems to contain more objective true than the entire article. Maybe another trait related to high-IQ+autism is a profound disregard for political correctness. Is St.John diagnosed with autism? Maybe the part of the brain dedic…

St. John's point was that programmers with autism spectrum disorders are easier to take advantage of. Further, ASD's are not a superpower and don't rededicate parts of the brain to other useful tasks.

Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer

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Holden Caulfield is principally a narcissist.

Who said so? What are the evidences? Not his always looking at the mirror roommate? Not all these silly girls? Not the snobs at clubs? Come on.

"Who said so?" was my HS junior English teacher. It's that stunted, bleak sort of narcissism that undergirds all misanthropy.

Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer

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With all the discrimination and bullying going around, I think it is good that someone has something nice to say about autistic programmers. Like Ian Murdock who founded Debian and recently committed suicide had Asperger's Syndrome. Despite obvious impressive technical skills, life probably wasn't easy for him. Most companies favor hiring average programmers that fit the mold over "weird people" even if they are amaz…

"Most companies favor hiring average programmers that fit the mold over "weird people" even if they are amazing at their work." Do they? At my company we half-seriously joke when programmers are too socially well adjusted, that they won't fit in. We prefer a bit of spergy. I don't have any idea what 'most' companies think, or if large companies even have consistent trends in their own thinking.

Would you rather have an average programmer or one that does twice as much productive work every day but is only in the office half as many hours per day, given that they are both paid equally?

I have asked this question to people responsible for hiring and not one have answered that they would prefer the programmer doing double the amount of work. The "inconvenience" to the rest of the team that a peer is only working half as many hours is costlier than the benefit of doubled work. My conclusion: Fitting in >> Output. Maybe it is different in Silicon Valley. I don't know. :)

Also, your joke is an oxymoron. If someone is socially well adjusted then they will fit in. One key characteristic of Autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is that it is hard for them to fit in and they may not even want to. You write "we prefer a bit of spergy" which probably means that your workplace has preferences for how employees should behave. Which means that there is something in your workplace to fit into which means trouble for employees with ASD.

Given a person that does absolutely nothing but working. Like not communicating unless it is work related and necessary, not partaking in joking, not going to lunches, not talking, not chit-chatting... Would that person "fit in"?

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