The problem is Western and other more developed countries still do business with the country, inevitably enabling and persisting their systemic corruption.
See ExxonMobil projects in PNG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPIUFZl7f-U
Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you happen to have (or ever looked at) the statistics for criminality of low-income whites? I'd be curious for that comparison - let's say murder rate (as these things are less likely to be covered up) across bottom 10% of income by race.
The mortality gap between white and black Americans still exists, but has closed dramatically in recent decades. Mortality rates are still far worse for men than women though. But particularly, that poverty affects male mortality far more than poverty affects female mortality. E.g. Mortality rates for financially disadvantaged white males is still very significantly worse than for black women (where as black male mor…
I was talking about homicide rate rather - ie if poor whites commit serious crime at the same rate as poor blacks.
Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea
#33Every day most of the crimes committed are against women from the Port Moresby slum areas. Ah, systemic poverty rears its ugly head again. This is, no doubt, related in part to the fact that 97% of the land is owned as tribal land, which seriously hampers modern economic development: The PNG legislature has enacted laws in which a type of tenure called "customary land title" is recognised, meaning that the traditiona…
Hernando De Soto addresses this issue in specific in his book "Mystery of Capital". Very good book to read about the issue of property rights and economic growth.
It is apparently available online for free download as a pdf here: http://ebookdig.biz/ebook/q/pdf/the-mystery-of-capital-.html
If I can get it successfully downloaded, I am likely to read it. Thanks for mentioning it.
Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. It's a bit like those anti-abortion campaigners who only use third-trimester abortion as their talking point, when third-trimester abortion accounts for less than 0.1% of abortions. Using the extreme case in place of the general case doesn't do anyone any favours. Your link does point out that violence swings both ways and that wom…
> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who women bludgeoned to death, burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains etc (all recent cases here). Maybe also the guys who've been stabbed a few too many times, hit in the back of the head with frying pans, etc. p.s. Hospital record audits show extremely sim…
> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts.
I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion.
Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as well. Those beaten humans with broken bones in their face are clearly benefitting at the expense of us males. Never mind that we can use success with anti-DV for women as a springboard for anti-DV for men, getting it into the public dialogue.
After all, if we can't help everyone, then we shouldn't help anyone. Absolutely no step of the way shouldn't ever be even-handed. That would be unfair.
Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. It's a bit like those anti-abortion campaigners who only use third-trimester abortion as their talking point, when third-trimester abortion accounts for less than 0.1% of abortions. Using the extreme case in place of the general case doesn't do anyone any favours. Your link does point out that violence swings both ways and that wom…
So White Ribbon Australia was a women's initiative now (before they entirely took it over and turned it against men)? Well that's some nice rewriting of history. Maybe a few more women should be focusing on what THEY can do to reduce their contribution to violence too, rather than just expecting men to do that for them. If you want to know what women actually did to get DV shelters off the ground, then I highly recom…
Ah, you are actually a "what about teh menz" commentor.
Do you even see the irony of "women should see what they can do rather than expect men to do it for them" immediately before telling me to go and research the woman who started the first refuge? I mean, you're clearly comfortable using single data points to make arguments, so why do you do a self-goal like that?
Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
So White Ribbon Australia was a women's initiative now (before they entirely took it over and turned it against men)? Well that's some nice rewriting of history. Maybe a few more women should be focusing on what THEY can do to reduce their contribution to violence too, rather than just expecting men to do that for them. If you want to know what women actually did to get DV shelters off the ground, then I highly recom…
Ah, you are actually a "what about teh menz" commentor. Do you even see the irony of "women should see what they can do rather than expect men to do it for them" immediately before telling me to go and research the woman who started the first refuge? I mean, you're clearly comfortable using single data points to make arguments, so why do you do a self-goal like that?
White Ribbon. Started by men.
Women's refuge movement (and the Refuge organisation), started by a woman who is appalled at what feminists have done with it, because most of the women sheltered turn out to be violent themselves (and often more so than the men).
Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
So White Ribbon Australia was a women's initiative now (before they entirely took it over and turned it against men)? Well that's some nice rewriting of history. Maybe a few more women should be focusing on what THEY can do to reduce their contribution to violence too, rather than just expecting men to do that for them. If you want to know what women actually did to get DV shelters off the ground, then I highly recom…
Ah, you are actually a "what about teh menz" commentor. Do you even see the irony of "women should see what they can do rather than expect men to do it for them" immediately before telling me to go and research the woman who started the first refuge? I mean, you're clearly comfortable using single data points to make arguments, so why do you do a self-goal like that?
I wouldn't call WR 'one data point' when it's by FAR the most recognised product brand name in DV.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who women bludgeoned to death, burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains etc (all recent cases here). Maybe also the guys who've been stabbed a few too many times, hit in the back of the head with frying pans, etc. p.s. Hospital record audits show extremely sim…
> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion. Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as we…
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who women bludgeoned to death, burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains etc (all recent cases here). Maybe also the guys who've been stabbed a few too many times, hit in the back of the head with frying pans, etc. p.s. Hospital record audits show extremely sim…
> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion. Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as we…
And NO you can't use it as a springboard by socially engineering misandry and prejudice. You only springboard MORE violence by (1) complerely ignoring that women are starting the vast majority of it (2) telling those women to keep going because it's only DV when a man retaliates and too late.
Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who women bludgeoned to death, burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains etc (all recent cases here). Maybe also the guys who've been stabbed a few too many times, hit in the back of the head with frying pans, etc. p.s. Hospital record audits show extremely sim…
> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion. Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as we…
Was that you who flagged me for quoting your expletives? Or are you flagging me for quoting AIC 2015 data on 10 years on NHMP and case notes?