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Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer

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Ironically, it's Jobs that has all of the typical Aspy traits, not Woz—right down to deciding on one set of clothes and sticking to it. If you actually read an S. Jobs bio and are familiar with Aspy traits, he's a textbook case. What confuses people (if they are confused) is that most people with Aspergers are not artistic, don't like speaking in front of crowds, or running teams. However, it makes a ton of sense if…

I fear that thanks to Hollywood etc, aspies and sociopaths bleeds over into each other in popular culture. If Jobs as aspie, there is no way he would have been up on that stage every WWDC to woe the crowd with superlatives.

>If Jobs as aspie, there is no way he would have been up on that stage every WWDC to woe the crowd with superlatives.

Exactly...

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Yes. It is definetely possible to be both.

Was Gates actually the technical wizard that he has been made out to be? It is an honest question. I really dont know. I am sure he had some great technical insights, but I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that he was actually a genius coder or engineer.

Given that he would sit down, read, and annotate, a technical spec, and then grill the reporter during the next day meeting on technical aspects, yeah he was.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/06/16.html

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Was Gates actually the technical wizard that he has been made out to be? It is an honest question. I really dont know. I am sure he had some great technical insights, but I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that he was actually a genius coder or engineer.

Well gates and Allen wrote the original basic interpreter together.

Someone named "Monte Davidoff" seems to have helped them.

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> "The internet has kind of killed my 'autistic pride,' so to speak," says Gillmer. "The constant use of it as an insult makes me want to hide it, so I tend to not bring it up unless it feels like I'm not communicating properly." I cannot for the life of me understand why I see "aspie" or "spergy" used as insults on both reddit and tumblr.

I find it quite annoying that we can't say "retarded" anymore but "autistic" and "autism" are valid insults. This has a lot to do with high-profile autistic people such as Christian Weston Chandler, who have a whole host of other psychological and emotional damage that has little to do with autism itself. They are the ones who wear their condition on their sleeve and try to use it to excuse all sorts of reprehensible behavior. Until in the public mind the words "autism" and "Asperger's" become associated with cringe.

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I have read SJobs bio(s). My father, brother and fiance have Aspergers. My father and brother especially relate more to Woz and are scared of people like Jobs. I relate more to Jobs than Woz, and I am more OCPD. If Jobs is Aspergers, he is also very manic spectrum. My father/brother are strictly unipolar. Here is more on the OCPD thing if you are curious: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/201..…

Oh for sure, I didn't mean to imply that Jobs was _only_ on the spectrum. I work in film (in addition to tech) and know a lot of people on the spectrum that I think people who only meet autistic programmers would have difficulty recognizing. Even in TFA, one of the descriptors is: > They generally marry the first girl they date Maybe, but in my experience, that's only one specific kind of person with Aspergers (who I…

Completely agree with the Sigma thing. I found the PUA stuff (my interest was more evo pysch) so frustratingly irrelevant and misguided until I read about the Sigma reproductive model. I think the difference (clinically speaking) between narcissists and aspergers is the need for admiration. No one I know with aspergers wants any attention, basically ever. I think Jobs is more of an INFJ narcissist. As opposed to more borderline INTJ (Aspergers).

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Spectrum programmer here. High Functioning Autism is what my doctor calls it. The biggest difficulty for spectrum kids and adults is to make sense of the abstract perception we face. We simply perceive the world directly.

That's the biggest difference. That's why we don't get the jokes unless we spend time developing a response matrix for humour. That's the ticket.

Our biggest advantage is we get to hack our own minds. We can become brilliant or we can cause severe damage to our perception if we make mistakes. The most successful autistic spectrum persons all have luck and bright ideas that are executed perfectly. That's tough.

We don't get euphemisms either. While I recommend seeing the Temple Grandin film, and I see the similarities to how I view things and to how Temple's perception is portrayed in the film, every spectrum person is going to be a little different in their journey.

The best thing any parent can do for a spectrum child is to help them to understand how to perceive better.

For me, we had a tire swing on a swivel in our backyard park. Spinning in the tire helped me to develop a center of awareness... an assemblage of my perception. Prior to the tire, everything was blurry and AT ONCE. I could view and process my surroundings but not like other kids. I had no reference. It was all there bombarding my senses.

Most low functioning spectrum kids have not found enough of a gravitational or electrical/pain stimulus to ground them and get a full snapshot of their perceptional center. This means they live life completely blurry to things. They will often star off in the distance or at one specific part of an object, trying to understand what they are seeing.

Once we get a center, we can then create mneumonic references from that center and trace it back. It's about developing brain pathways to faster interpretive cognition.

The most successful spectrum people all have this in common -- lightning fast cognitive response. Sure they can be wrong just like anyone else, but their responses account for nearly all the variables... and that's why they tend to be on the very outlying boundaries of genius.

One problem that faces spectrum persons is the robust and painful experience of interacting with neurotypical persons who have the advantage of seeing the world the way they want to. They don't see it for what it is. They see it for how they think it is. That's most of you.

You can understand euphemisms because you see the clever connections in your imagination. You've heard them before. You can fake it if you haven't without any kind of painful emotional distress.

You don't see the world like a blur. It's clear. You get it. You can skip over things you don't care about. We can't really skip over things like you can, and especially if we perceive any connection between those things and our pursuit of answers. We lock on. We can't help it.

I won't give any employers advice for dealing with spectrum persons. Make sure your safety programs have a standard for dealing with all your different employees and do not put spectrum information in the disabilities section -- it's not a disability... it's kind of the opposite. The best place for spectrum procedures is in a section about Violence and Harassment because the most hazards exist there for spectrum persons in the workplace. Communication standards should also have a section about communicating with persons who are on the autistic spectrum.

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Yes. It is definetely possible to be both.

Was Gates actually the technical wizard that he has been made out to be? It is an honest question. I really dont know. I am sure he had some great technical insights, but I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that he was actually a genius coder or engineer.

He wrote FAT on an airplane.

Make of that what you will.

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Was Gates actually the technical wizard that he has been made out to be? It is an honest question. I really dont know. I am sure he had some great technical insights, but I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that he was actually a genius coder or engineer.

Given that he would sit down, read, and annotate, a technical spec, and then grill the reporter during the next day meeting on technical aspects, yeah he was. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/06/16.html

Yes, he could read a spec and I read this before.

Dont get me wrong. I have a lot of respect for both Joel and Bill Gates. I just dont see this particular incident as anything special. Bill Gates didn't actually do anything except annotate the spec and throw some ideas out there.

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