If computer scientists made similar emotional arguments: Save EBCDIC because diversity. No. Full stop. It's the adherents' of these cultures (speakers' of these languages) duty to compile and/or translate their cultural insights and knowledge. If they fail to do that - good bye, it probably wasn't that important, otherwise the culture or language would have been dominant.
Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
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Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
We probably would invent new languages, or at least new dialects, to signal group membership. If somebody has made the effort to learn the language then they're probably serious about being part of the group. As a practical example, consider the revival of the Hebrew language, which happened mostly as an expression of Jewish identity. Strengthening group identity is the main motivation for preserving rare languages.
The maintenance of Yiddish is an extreme example. It's explicitly used to prevent ultra-orthodox Jews from "straying off the path" and joining the larger society.[1] In Israel, the ultra-orthodox speak Yiddish, not Hebrew, and often don't even know Hebrew. This is the use of a dying tongue as a means of social control. [1] http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/off-the-path-of-orth...
Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#43It's not a well-liked view, but I'm very glad that humanity is on the path to speaking only a few languages (or perhaps just one). If you disagree, consider this thought experiment: Imagine if the entire world spoke a single language. Would we ever want to invent new languages, making mutual communication harder? It would be silly. I do feel for the speakers of these dying tongues, but in the long run, this is a good…
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Are you willing to stop speaking, reading, thinking, writing in English and use Mandarin? And what about the fact that some concepts and words are enunciated more succintly or clearly in different languages? I mean, you have the perfect example in front of you: why are there so many programming languages? Could it be that some language constructs are more difficult in one language vs the other? Why invent new program…
I am willing to give up my language in favour of a world language - in fact, I have already done that. I think in English. I write all my poetry, stories and dreams in English, I only communicate in that language unless it's with family or coworkers. I pretty much gave up on my native language. I feel like English is superior in many ways because it has words that my language does not, which forces me to describe awk…
Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you willing to stop speaking, reading, thinking, writing in English and use Mandarin? And what about the fact that some concepts and words are enunciated more succintly or clearly in different languages? I mean, you have the perfect example in front of you: why are there so many programming languages? Could it be that some language constructs are more difficult in one language vs the other? Why invent new program…
I am willing to give up my language in favour of a world language - in fact, I have already done that. I think in English. I write all my poetry, stories and dreams in English, I only communicate in that language unless it's with family or coworkers. I pretty much gave up on my native language. I feel like English is superior in many ways because it has words that my language does not, which forces me to describe awk…
Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#46French is one of those dying tongues. In France we don't speak french anymore, we speak franglais, a mix of french and english words.
French is currently unique in that it's the previous lingua franca, so much so that the term for "world language" in English is a French term. That French is now using loan words from English doesn't mean that it's dying. Have you tried to speak English without French / Latin / Norse loan words? Good luck. It just means that French is like any other language now, aggressively borrowing from the current world language…
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Lingua_Franca
Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#47It's not a well-liked view, but I'm very glad that humanity is on the path to speaking only a few languages (or perhaps just one). If you disagree, consider this thought experiment: Imagine if the entire world spoke a single language. Would we ever want to invent new languages, making mutual communication harder? It would be silly. I do feel for the speakers of these dying tongues, but in the long run, this is a good…
Like, if we all spoke English? glesga https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xan2xU-ZFic Irish "What's filim?" https://youtu.be/UJ1Akr-UBis?t=57s Geordie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY4TT3VtR8o 120 miles from Glasgow to Newcastle. 250 miles from Glasgow to Westport, Ireland.
But, in my experience, people speaking these dialects could communicate with someone from elsewhere easily. They're also less different than they would have been decades ago.
Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you willing to stop speaking, reading, thinking, writing in English and use Mandarin? And what about the fact that some concepts and words are enunciated more succintly or clearly in different languages? I mean, you have the perfect example in front of you: why are there so many programming languages? Could it be that some language constructs are more difficult in one language vs the other? Why invent new program…
Re: "And what about the fact that some concepts and words are enunciated more succintly or clearly in different languages?" We just borrow the relevant words :)
Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#49French is one of those dying tongues. In France we don't speak french anymore, we speak franglais, a mix of french and english words.
Quebec is trying to save French through some crazy laws: - You can't have a company whose name isn't French. - The company I work for had to replace all keyboards by French keyboards, had to switch to an HR software available in French, had to switch all OSes to French, had to put French stickers on the microwave oven, etc. - I can't send my kid to an English school if I haven't been to one myself.
Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#50It's not a well-liked view, but I'm very glad that humanity is on the path to speaking only a few languages (or perhaps just one). If you disagree, consider this thought experiment: Imagine if the entire world spoke a single language. Would we ever want to invent new languages, making mutual communication harder? It would be silly. I do feel for the speakers of these dying tongues, but in the long run, this is a good…