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Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by mtreis86 »

midnitewarrior wrote: post #108
mempko wrote: post #49

I'm one of those weird people that uses free software even if it isn't better. The quality of the software is beside the point.

If you're not using the best functional tool for the job, the only person you are hurting is you.

I do not agree. The best tool for the job is the one I am most comfortable using. If microsoft makes me uncomfortable (they remind me of an abusive spouse in their actions), then even if their software has some fancy features that may help productivity, it is not the best tool for me to do my job. I don't even consider it as an option.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by omegaham »

amitheonlyone wrote: post #148
omegaham wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. LibreOffice works... except when it doesn't. Similarly, getting Ubuntu 16's AMD drivers to work well is a clusterfuck and a half. Linux fits 99% of my use cases, and the other 1% is unbelievably frustrating.

Bought a new laptoo with AMD APU and Radeon Graphics.Installed Ubuntu 16.04. Even though I'm using the default open source driver, there doesn't seem to be any issues for general use. Had to struggle to get the wifi driver working properly though. So yeah, I agree with you on the 99%-1% part.

What's really infuriating is that I seem to be the only one with this issue. Dual-monitor setup, computer will completely freeze and refuse to boot if I disconnect a monitor. It will hang half the time that I start up. Opening any graphically intensive app (VLC, games, Youtube videos, opening up the Dash, etc) will cause massive tearing. And there is nothing on the Internet about it.

I'm staying on 15.10 until they come out with something better.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by rbanffy »

As someone who has only briefly worked on Windows since the early 2000s, when I moved to Debian and then Ubuntu (and, then, using Cygwin to make things comfy), what is the compelling reason to adopt it?

Both Mac ans Linux offer very good developer experiences, with hosts of cross-platform tooling and environments that are closer to the server that will most likely run your application. I understand that Windows is essential when you write code that runs on Windows, but, apart from that, what are the advantages over macOS and a more traditional Unix-like environment?

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by StavrosK »

rbanffy wrote: post #153

As someone who has only briefly worked on Windows since the early 2000s, when I moved to Debian and then Ubuntu (and, then, using Cygwin to make things comfy), what is the compelling reason to adopt it? Both Mac ans Linux offer very good developer experiences, with hosts of cross-platform tooling and environments that are closer to the server that will most likely run your application. I understand that Windows is es…

Having used Windows extensively up until Vista (at which point I switched to Ubuntu), none. It's a more solid OS than Ubuntu (in that the UI doesn't sometimes have weird corruption bugs and is more responsive), but development is a nightmare.

Development is split into two camps, Windows-centric and UNIX-centric. Trying to develop one on the other is a disaster, so let that inform your choice. As a consumer OS, I have a much easier time installing Ubuntu on my parents'/friends' computers, as it's easier to get used to and doesn't have as many viruses.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by erelde »

diminish wrote: post #147

A lot of alarms ringing in my mind, as a long time Linux and i3 user and developer. 1. You ran i3 as a proof of concept now but going long term you ll face dozens of issues when you want to make it useful. The same is true for everything you ll install through Ubuntu for Windows.. 2. Windows mail clients are totally wrong, slow and they are not only hazardous to people using but also to receivers of emails. Outlook u…

> Desktop productivity tools are long history

You should take a walk in an administration building. IE6 and MS Office are still in use. "For security reasons".

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by StavrosK »

diminish wrote: post #147

A lot of alarms ringing in my mind, as a long time Linux and i3 user and developer. 1. You ran i3 as a proof of concept now but going long term you ll face dozens of issues when you want to make it useful. The same is true for everything you ll install through Ubuntu for Windows.. 2. Windows mail clients are totally wrong, slow and they are not only hazardous to people using but also to receivers of emails. Outlook u…

> Windows mail clients are totally wrong

All mail clients are totally wrong. I hate how everything is a web app right now, and I'd love a desktop mail client that worked well. I run Thunderbird now, but it's a beast, and mutt/pine/etc are rather unwieldy, even for a heavy cli user like me.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by StavrosK »

dewiz wrote: post #77

Serious question, what's wrong with Thunderbird? I've used Eudora, Netscape Messenger, Thunderbird, Outlook Express, Outlook up to 2016, Mail, Gmail, Squirrel etc etc. I use Outlook where I _have_ to, but TB is a constant across all my systems. IMAP support is great, search is fast, I rely on Google to filter spam. Thunderbird is one of those apps that doesn't need extra work or new features, it just works.

It's slow, it takes a crapload of resources and it has a bunch of bugs I've never been able to fix. If I click the unified inbox on my laptop, I get a blank view, even though there are emails in the sub-mailboxes. This has been going on for years, and I haven't been able to fix it (short of deleting my profile).

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by StavrosK »

chx wrote: post #133
vesche wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhat unrelated, but you should check out pi hole https://pi-hole.net . Ads / spyware traffic won't even enter your network. I still run uBlock, but it goes largely unused.

Pretty good idea -- since I am running OpenWRT already I could just use https://gist.github.com/teffalump/7227752

Actually, good call. I'll just make a cron job to get uBlock's lists and stick them in dnsmasq.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by microtonal »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #22

I haven't had any problems with macOS stability lately. Has anyone else experienced what the author describes? Around me Windows 10 has crashed more than macOS. but Windows 10 is really stable too.

From the post:

but I do daily development on an Arch linux desktop sitting next to my MacBook Pro

I have a similar set up, both at home and at work, where I use a MacBook for Office, Omni{Focus,Graffle}, etc., but SSH into a Linux machine for serious development word. My reasons are two-fold. First of all, many OS X's command-line tools are behind the times and buggy. For instance, grep segfaults on trivial usages such as[1]:

    % echo i860  | grep --color -e i860 -e i86
Or returns incorrect results for even trivial expressions:

    % echo "1234 1234 1234" | egrep -o "^...."
    1234
     123
    4 12
Since I use UNIX command-line tools such as grep daily, I cannot have them fail (yes, I know, get GNU grep from Homebrew). Secondly, Mac hardware is very weak these days, even the Mac Pro is years behind. At the same time, you can get a similarly spec'ed machine on eBay for a couple of hundred of Euros. Plug a card to use CUDA, etc.

[1] http://blog.loadzero.com/blog/tracking-down-a-segfault-in-gr...

I don't have many real stability problems (kernel panics), but there are oddball bugs everywhere. E.g. Mail.app likes to redownload all my e-mail when I quit and open it.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by sciurus »

MajesticHobo wrote: post #121
hartator wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't Mozilla gave up on Thunderbird though?

There's always Icedove, which gets updates from Debian.

Debian isn't doing any independent development on icedove, are they? I think if thunderbird development stops so will icedove's.

https://wiki.debian.org/Icedove#The_future_of_Icedove

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