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Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

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post #36

I ran a i2p router for year, mostly because I didn't mind. This is a kind of a hen-egg-problem, I guess. There is not any content in i2p I'm aware off besides a torrent site. And I probably don't want to know what the content is I'm not aware of. While I think this is in theory much cooler than tor, it's a way less practical, i guess.

May I interest you in a copy of my webpage (which is not a torrent site) at http://p4bl0.i2p/ ;-p.

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#53
post #49
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for contributing to I2P! Do you have any thoughts on HORNET? Could I2P benefit from a more stateless routing mechanism as opposed to tunnels in the far future? Are any of the devs going to defcon this year? I tried to get a small meetup going last year in the privacy village but no turnout, would love to make something official. I'm working on Go implementation here: https://github.com/hkparker/go-i2p . Haven'…

Nice, I would love to contribute!

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Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#54

I2P developer here, feel free to ask me any questions.

Pardon my naivete concerning I2P. Every node is a "router" right and therefore any node can be part of any "tunnel", correct? Does anything incentivize them to equitably share bandwidth, or is it like bittorrent where many rely on people's fairness?

The incentive works in a kind of round about way, where the more nodes you talk to the more nodes you know and therefore the more fast/high capacity you know and can choose from.

So sharing more bandwidth leads to you knowing more nodes, which means you'll have better tunnels. So there is an incentive for you to share more.

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#55
post #46

I2P developer here, feel free to ask me any questions.

What are the best ways to obscure I2P use from ISPs and other network observers? Is it workable to use commercial VPNs with port forwarding? Also, how workable is nesting I2P in Tor, and vice versa ? For example, can I2P nodes be Tor onion services? At one point, the JonDo client had a Tor SOCKS5 proxy option. Is that possible with I2P?

> What are the best ways to obscure I2P use from ISPs and other network observers? Is it workable to use commercial VPNs with port forwarding?

I can't tell you a lot about obscuring I2P usage, personally I typically get a cheap VPS somewhere and do ssh/autossh port forwarding to it, but not for privacy reasons.

> Also, how workable is nesting I2P in Tor, and vice versa? For example, can I2P nodes be Tor onion services? At one point, the JonDo client had a Tor SOCKS5 proxy option. Is that possible with I2P?

Running I2P inside Tor or vice versa is common idea. I can't tell you if it is practically possible, but technically it is. However a setup like that does suffer from diminishing returns in terms of security and performance.

There is an I2P plugin called Orchid[1] that adds Tor outproxying to the regular internet to I2P.

[1] http://plugins.i2p/plugins/orchid/

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#56
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

zzz is our BDFL. If you really would like to know, come meet the I2P folks at 33C3 or potentially HOPE if you live in NA. CCC is better since I2P typically has a table there.

Will you be around for bsides lv or defcon?

No, not this year. Some I2P folk might be, but we as a project won't attend.

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#57
post #44

Tor vs I2P? Oh boy, all we need is a cnet battle...

I2P vs Tor is common topic, but the reality is that the projects are quite different while aiming to serve many of the same goals.

I2P is decentralized and Tor offers exit nodes for example.

But both projects serve to maintain the option of free speech on the internet, no matter how digitally repressive the country you happen to live in might be (US/China/Iran/Syria).

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#58
post #29

I2P developer here, feel free to ask me any questions.

Thanks for contributing to I2P! Do you have any thoughts on HORNET? Could I2P benefit from a more stateless routing mechanism as opposed to tunnels in the far future? Are any of the devs going to defcon this year? I tried to get a small meetup going last year in the privacy village but no turnout, would love to make something official. I'm working on Go implementation here: https://github.com/hkparker/go-i2p . Haven'…

I don't think it's much of an issue to work on i2p in the clear. It may be that is a main component why tor was able to thrive so well, their developers weren't shadowy internet nyms so people felt more comfortable giving money to fund them. The dev channel is also on freenode via #i2p-dev if anyone wants to join and contribute.

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#59
post #36

I ran a i2p router for year, mostly because I didn't mind. This is a kind of a hen-egg-problem, I guess. There is not any content in i2p I'm aware off besides a torrent site. And I probably don't want to know what the content is I'm not aware of. While I think this is in theory much cooler than tor, it's a way less practical, i guess.

many i2p sites stick with the b32 name, for added security through obscurity.

Anecdotally, I've seen a lot of document management and ERP servers running on I2P. Bandwidth is decent, and you can't beat the security.

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