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Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by ams6110 » Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 1:42 AM UTC

jkahn wrote: post #28

616c wrote: post #17

Another thought: when people complain about the state of Linux email clients, what is so good about the Windows alternatives? Office productivity suites, I get it. But email clients all suck. Mutt's mantra is so true, at least they're honest about sucking less. I believe Linux is a 100% of the time platform because the choice (again, user choice) to run minimal terminal apps means like less than average 50% memory ut…

Don't write off Outlook without a second thought. It's big with loads of features, yes - but that's what's good about it. If all you need to do is plain text email, sure, Mutt is fine. If you deal with a large amount of email, calendar appointments, tasks, contacts, etc, in a professional role, nothing beats Outlook. There's a reason it's so popular.

I use emacs with notmuch for my email. I have never found anything better, and yes I've used Outlook.

Searching with notmuch is blazing fast and works better than gmail search.

HTML email is handled by w3m. The new "eww" would probably work also but I haven't tried that yet.

It's possible to send HTML email by writing in org-mode markup, but I haven't done that either. If people can inflict their HTML email on me, they can deal with my plain-text replies.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by OneNoteIsFree » Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 1:43 AM UTC

Save your FUD, I've been using computers for 16 years and I've never had this problem. Malware/Ransomware hit only if you go around the dark corners in search of porn/free stuff without knowing what you're downloading. Even then the built in Windows defender catches it.

I love Arch too but people like you are so die hard in their toxicity that any collaboration asking about Windows related stuff is impossible.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by douche » Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 1:43 AM UTC

oblio wrote: post #39

douche wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never had an installation of Outlook that stayed stable and usable for more than about six months. It doesn't help that you have other parts of Office that stick their grubby fingers in your address books, calendars, and mail files and do their best to scramble things up.

I don't know what you're doing with it, but I've used Outlook for 2 multinational companies for 4+ years each, had several GB of mails for each (probably hundreds of thousands of email per account, most of them automated), and the worst parts of it were a bug with password resets (it keps asking for my password for about a week after quarterly resets) and the slowness of filter sync with Exchange. As you can see, tho…

Lync/Skype for Business tends to play havoc with Outlook data files, I've found.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 1:43 AM UTC

oblio wrote: post #39

douche wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never had an installation of Outlook that stayed stable and usable for more than about six months. It doesn't help that you have other parts of Office that stick their grubby fingers in your address books, calendars, and mail files and do their best to scramble things up.

I don't know what you're doing with it, but I've used Outlook for 2 multinational companies for 4+ years each, had several GB of mails for each (probably hundreds of thousands of email per account, most of them automated), and the worst parts of it were a bug with password resets (it keps asking for my password for about a week after quarterly resets) and the slowness of filter sync with Exchange. As you can see, tho…

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Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by to3m » Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 1:44 AM UTC

JupiterMoon wrote: post #68

to3m wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right - but why would you care? You get a PC, and it has Outlook, and it's set up to work with their system. Then you leave/they sack you. You get a new job. They give you a different PC. It has Outlook... and it's set up to work with their system. Rinse and repeat.

You miss the point. By config she means whether to display html mail as html, whether to display images from external sources, her language (for spell checking), her preferred set of fonts etc

OK - but if you've just changed job, the overhead of this will get lost in the noise. And this even assumes that these decisions are rightly to be left up to the employee, and not decided by the company. (E.g., HTML email display and/or displaying remote images may be a security risk, and so it could be banned entirely. It's not unusual to mandate fonts and signature for public-facing correspondence. And so on.)

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by makecheck » Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 1:50 AM UTC

There’s something about “translating system calls” that just makes me wary. It’s the kind of thing that could be proven to work for some common cases while failing in mysterious ways for others (not to mention being hard to debug).

Generally, there is a gap between what’s documented, what was thought to be true, and what is. At some point they will produce behavior that just doesn’t match what compiled code expects. For how many libraries, applications and combinations thereof will they deal with this?

And then there’s maintenance. This is a scary kind of layer to be responsible for; future Microsoft employees will have a hard time doing anything to this layer without risking new misbehavior so we have to trust that they either know what they’re doing or that they won’t touch anything.

I’m not saying that they weren’t clever to try this, or that there isn’t a way to pull this off successfully. I do think the odds are against them though. Or maybe, I just missed something about their implementation that makes this a lot less risky than it seems to be.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by ams6110 » Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 1:57 AM UTC

OneNoteIsFree wrote: post #82

Save your FUD, I've been using computers for 16 years and I've never had this problem. Malware/Ransomware hit only if you go around the dark corners in search of porn/free stuff without knowing what you're downloading. Even then the built in Windows defender catches it. I love Arch too but people like you are so die hard in their toxicity that any collaboration asking about Windows related stuff is impossible.

Many people who get ransomwared are naive victims of phishing emails, some of which are fairly convincing. There are usually some red flags if you're paying attention, but it only takes one mistake.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by JL2010 » Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 2:06 AM UTC

ArnoldP wrote: post #54

Do you still need to be in the windows fast lane preview for access to bash on windows? I want to try this but im a bit hesitant to run the earliest of beta software on my only productivity machine...

I'm on the slow ring and recently received it. They have a blog here which details each of their releases on each of the release "rings": https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/tag/windows-insi...

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by OneNoteIsFree » Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 2:13 AM UTC

ams6110 wrote: post #87

OneNoteIsFree wrote: post #82

Save your FUD, I've been using computers for 16 years and I've never had this problem. Malware/Ransomware hit only if you go around the dark corners in search of porn/free stuff without knowing what you're downloading. Even then the built in Windows defender catches it. I love Arch too but people like you are so die hard in their toxicity that any collaboration asking about Windows related stuff is impossible.

Many people who get ransomwared are naive victims of phishing emails, some of which are fairly convincing. There are usually some red flags if you're paying attention, but it only takes one mistake.

You're right. But I'd assume anyone using Linux (and arch at that) would be smart enough to know what's up. No OS is perfect but someone using Arch is just spreading FUD. Windows is a vector not because of security problems but because of its usage ratio. It just doesn't make economic sense to target any other OS plus the fact that hackers are not god, they need time to perfect their skills and they have it on Windows. Denouncing an OS despite the fact that it has stellar security on its own is basically bringing down people like you and I who are spending days and nights making things work for fine. Denouncing for valid reasons is fine. Security in Windows is not Microsoft's problem. They're trying their best, they're not all knowing. That loser on Arch should talk when Linux and macOS are completely impenetrable.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by OneNoteIsFree » Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 2:15 AM UTC

makecheck wrote: post #86

There’s something about “translating system calls” that just makes me wary. It’s the kind of thing that could be proven to work for some common cases while failing in mysterious ways for others (not to mention being hard to debug). Generally, there is a gap between what’s documented, what was thought to be true, and what is. At some point they will produce behavior that just doesn’t match what compiled code expects.…

Have you heard of testing? And have you heard of software verification? Microsoft research is far and away the leader with single person publishing multiple papers in the best conferences- POPL etc. orrying about imaginary Don't worry about imaginary future problesm. Its like me saying- my car is very complex and may crash, I will not drive it. This is how you hold technology back.