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Re: Spain Runs Out of Workers with Almost 5M Unemployed

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I grew up in the US and am a native English speaker raised by native English speakers and I sometimes use the same idiom. I suspect the GP is complaining because English is not a strong language for him/her.

What's the meaning of GP? Gilip?

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Same thing is happening in every country, it seems. Spanish companies have the entire EU from which they can draw workers without any paperwork or issues, and yet they can't find any? From central/eastern Europe even, whose workers may have lower wage expectations? No. They're flagging this "shortage" and will simultaneously petition their government to allow faster issuing of/more visas to non-EU countries, i.e. Ind…

How many people from Eastern Europe speak Spanish? Obviously not as important for low-skilled, manual labour, but we're talking about highly skilled jobs in the tech sector here.

Is an interesting question. I have some friends from East Europe living in Spain. They typically learn how to navigate the language surprisingly fast. They even laugh at us about this.

The reason is that their native Eastern Europe languages are very complicated to read and speak by nature; vowels are scarcely used, you need a finely trained ear to discern some special whispered sounds, is not always easy to recognize a word by its shape...

For this people customed to use every day words with "two vowels hidden in twelve characters", speaking spanish is practically a childsplay.

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Same thing is happening in every country, it seems. Spanish companies have the entire EU from which they can draw workers without any paperwork or issues, and yet they can't find any? From central/eastern Europe even, whose workers may have lower wage expectations? No. They're flagging this "shortage" and will simultaneously petition their government to allow faster issuing of/more visas to non-EU countries, i.e. Ind…

How many people from Eastern Europe speak Spanish? Obviously not as important for low-skilled, manual labour, but we're talking about highly skilled jobs in the tech sector here.

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> Pimentel’s client asked him for list of candidates trained in “Agile” project management techniques for helping companies boost their productivity by using more I.T. systems. The client was offering as much as 200,000 euros ($220,000) a year -- almost 10 times the average salary in Spain. > But such people are thin on the ground in Spain. It takes at least eight months for an experienced software developer to earn…

What the hell even is an Agile qualification? Isn't it something you pick up on the fly? Some boss tells you that you're going to build an mvp prototype and you get to build more iterations after the first one is done, so don't break your heart over getting it right. And you say "ok bro I'm on it" and then you go code. What else is there?

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When you are willing to hire women, older people and provide adequate salaries (dare I say work conditions), suddenly there isn't so much tech shortage.

Couldn't 100% of your claim be solved with just the salary variable? What evidence do you have that old+female+cheap people are not being considered as part of the option matrix?

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Product Owner is not the same as Project Manager. Product Owner is similar to Product or Program Manager in software, though the Product Owner role is usually a subset focused on software development and does not include go to market and P&L. SCRUM Master role is the closest to a Project Manager.

The SCRUM Master isn't on all agile projects, but the SCRUM Master can be any combination of rotating team member responsible for following up on team tasks and facilitating SCRUM rituals to a full agile coach responsible for team coaching, organizational-wide systems/process analyst and change agent. Sometimes they get saddled with traditional project management deliverables as well. The product owner, however, cont…

Right, Product Owners (like Product Managers) define the "what" of the product, effectively guiding the team on what market problems to solve and for which customers.

That's different from the Project Manager who works on resourcing and timing of a project.

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Are you seriously saying you are using child labour?

>> Oh, works with kids as well: you can buy many lifetime friends before they become teenagers.) > Are you seriously saying you are using child labour? No, I say I buy myself friends and happy consultants that come back. The link is when you are in an advantage position (parent with small children, western SW company that use remote consultants) it takes next to no effort to make a difference in someones life.

> No, I say I buy myself friends

Who are under 13?

Was your "before they become teenagers" statement perhaps in error? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and ethical concerns aside, I have trouble imagining even a brilliant 12-year-old producing code you'd want to use in a commercial product. (Speaking as someone who started coding at 7.)

Perhaps you're mistaken about the meaning of "teenager"?

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So EU was merely a clever plan by stronger economies to suck brains out of struggling economies?

I guess a good rule of thumb is: If you can pack what you think is the motivation for such a big and time intensive project as the EU into one tweet, it's probably far from the truth.

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>> Oh, works with kids as well: you can buy many lifetime friends before they become teenagers.) > Are you seriously saying you are using child labour? No, I say I buy myself friends and happy consultants that come back. The link is when you are in an advantage position (parent with small children, western SW company that use remote consultants) it takes next to no effort to make a difference in someones life.

> No, I say I buy myself friends Who are under 13? Was your "before they become teenagers" statement perhaps in error? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and ethical concerns aside, I have trouble imagining even a brilliant 12-year-old producing code you'd want to use in a commercial product. (Speaking as someone who started coding at 7.) Perhaps you're mistaken about the meaning of "teenager"?

I'm not mistaken about the meaning of teenager but eiter my writing is unclear or some people are obsessed with reading it as me recommending child labour.

The "work" part is about consultants.

The "friends" part is about mine and relatives kids.

No, I do not try to extract value from kids.

And the youngest person I have seen coding anything useful was a 16 year that managed to complete 70+ days of effective 9-5 work in 14 afternoons.

He got a nice job (at well above market rate IIRC) at the compiler division at one of the big IT companies after finishing his bachelors degree a few years later.

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