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Re: Spain Runs Out of Workers with Almost 5M Unemployed

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Post by cromulent »

ebiester wrote: post #304
pille wrote: post #266

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Yeah, I'd stay far away from anyone who thinks you need 8 months to grasp the concepts of Agile. Sounds like @horse_recruiter is running the talent search. That ridiculous expectation is probably a symptom of some pretty dysfunctional management in general.

For a developer, no. For someone involved in non-technical delivery, I would expect they had experience delivering agile projects. (Of course, agile projects typically call them product owners instead, a subtle distinction.) I've been involved with agile projects since 2006 and I am still learning new ways of delivering software that solves the right problem, developing team cohesion, surfacing risk early, and other…

Great comment. I'll just note that anyone can sign the manifesto, I guess you meant the authors. I'll sign it now if it means I can get 200k€ ;)

http://www.agilemanifesto.org/sign/signup.cgi

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Post by cylinder »

fchollet wrote: post #126
gorkemyurt wrote: post #113

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So you are saying NYC is much less expensive than Bay Area?

Yes. Specifically, rents are much higher in SF/SV than in NYC. SF has even higher rent than Manhattan. Most of NYC (not Manhattan or Williamsburg) can be quite reasonable.

No not really. Anywhere "reasonable" will have poor quality housing and 1hr commutes on the horrible subway system.

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Post by cplanas »

mooreds wrote: post #35

Wonder if it has anything to do with low salaries? Just as an example, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12017439 has a pretty low salary for the skills they want.

Ironically, that's one of the offers with highest salary brackets I have ever seen in Barcelona.

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Post by casta »

selmat wrote: post #271
casta wrote: post #177

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I don't know how it works in Spain, but in Italy the cost of an employee is probably much more than his/her salary. The employer gives you a salary, then they have to pay on top of it ~30% of INAIL, INPS etc. (pension, health "insurance" including sick days and so on) and ~10% of TFR (fund you get back at the end of your career.) In the U.S. those are costs you have to remove from your salary. So, 3000 euros a month…

Cost of employee is always higher than salary. Bear in mind that employee have to pay (feed) himself, government, management, company revenue etc. It's simply not possible to create business value 10 000 € and get all of them into own pocket. At least not as standard employee.

True, but leaving health and pension in or out the gross salary makes a big difference if you want to compare gross salaries.

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Post by FanaHOVA »

pvaldes wrote: post #307
knocte wrote: post #243

> Pimentel’s client asked him for list of candidates trained in “Agile” project management techniques for helping companies boost their productivity by using more I.T. systems. The client was offering as much as 200,000 euros ($220,000) a year -- almost 10 times the average salary in Spain. > But such people are thin on the ground in Spain. It takes at least eight months for an experienced software developer to earn…

> Spanish executives are less-skilled than their competitors in Germany, France or Italy This is hilarious. Say that to Amancio Ortega :-)

Because one person is a good sample size. Also, Italy has a lot of bigger and fancier clothing brands, so your example doesn't really prove much.

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Post by dingo_bat »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #21
olegious wrote: post #18

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I was interested in a product job in Barcelona, then I saw that it pays almost 70% less than I'm making now...

Why do you say "70% less"? Sorry to pick on you, but I see this usage everywhere and I'm curious. Doesn't "Pays 30% of what I make" convey what you mean much more effectively?

I agree with you on this. "30% of my current salary" is much clearer for me than "70% less". I always see a floating "0.3x" when reading this stuff, and it happens way faster if it is just given in that form.

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Post by casta »

fiddlesticks22 wrote: post #188
casta wrote: post #177

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I don't know how it works in Spain, but in Italy the cost of an employee is probably much more than his/her salary. The employer gives you a salary, then they have to pay on top of it ~30% of INAIL, INPS etc. (pension, health "insurance" including sick days and so on) and ~10% of TFR (fund you get back at the end of your career.) In the U.S. those are costs you have to remove from your salary. So, 3000 euros a month…

When hiring contractors the company doesn't have to pay any of these things (it's on the contractor). I'm currently contracting for a company in Italy and getting much more than 3k/mo.

Makes sense, I was describing my experience as employee and just trying to explain why comparing gross salaries doesn't make much sense.

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Post by marcocampos »

paol wrote: post #324
marcocampos wrote: post #312

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In Portugal, Social Security taxation for a full-time employee is 11%. 42000€ per year gross salary lands you in the 28.5% income tax. A yearly gross salary of 42000€ is about +/- 1800€ salary/month.

You're apparently unaware that not all tax appears on your salary receipt. Employers have to pay 20% to SS, on top of the 11% that the employee pays. (This amount doesn't count toward your gross income for IRS purposes though, which is relevant to your point) The distinction is largely a technicality, all the more because both parts of the SS contribution are paid by the employer directly to the state, but it does ha…

If companies all of the sudden didn't have to paid those 20% would I see that reflected on my paycheck? I bet you I wouldn't nor anyone else.

I've heard that falacy time and time again: "Oh, if I didn't have to pay so much taxes for each worker I could pay higher salaries."

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Post by cplanas »

_mikz wrote: post #218
vemv wrote: post #29

Spanish dev here, 3 years in the business, been twice a freelancer and twice an employee. My main complaints: - The maximum salary a developer can earn at any given company is almost written in stone - around 36000 euros. Every public job posting will have that figure as the max. When it's higher, they'll water it down in the interview. Why? Probably because they don't have the notion of a 10x programmer at all. We a…

We are on Ruby, Sinatra, Rails, Nginx, Lua & not afraid of new technologies. Our open positions are on https://www.3scale.net/about/jobs/ We're based in Barcelona, but had remote workers in the past and still might be opened to that after some warmup time. On some hiring sites we were publically posting 50k EUR for Senior Backend Developer. Being here for 5 years I can say there is plenty of growth space for good dev…

I'm from Barcelona, living in Denmark and moving to SF soon. I have a couple of friends working in 3scale, and they seem happy. It looks like a good company to work for.

My plan is going back to BCN at some point, so if you are still searching for backends then, I will give you a call. ;)

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Post by dozzie »

rebeccaskinner wrote: post #345
ionforce wrote: post #306

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Do you like functional programming? That's a sector that's poppin.

I've actually found it pretty hard to find regular work focused on doing FP. My last job was Erlang when I started, but pivoted to Go because of a lack of Erlang developers. My last two jobs before that were mixes of C and Haskell, but only because I was given the lattitude to select haskell. This time around when I was interviewing I was trying to find something that would let me focus on FP, but the best I could fi…

Become a sysadmin that writes tools (which is more like old-school system programmer, the one who wrote grep and syslog and init and bash and awk). Since you're nominally a sysadmin, nobody will look at your workbench to check if you're using "kosher" languages, so you're free to use whatever makes sense to solve a problem (hint: not always a functional language).

Been there, done that, been happy with the approach.

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