At the same time, I bet there are a lot of Spaniards getting majors on philosophy and other weed-smoking specialties.
Spain Runs Out of Workers with Almost 5M Unemployed
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#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
€1500 a month is €18K a year, I believe Portugal has about 28% income tax for €7-20K income bracket (which seems very high), so it is roughly about €25K before taxes. And you are saying this is a good as it gets for Software Engineers. I was looking up real estate prices in Lisbon and they seemed pretty high. Per my understanding a lot of people from EU (and some outside of EU) are buying real estate in Portugal and…
Let me correct your numbers. For 1500€ monthly net your employer will pay about 3000€ (~20% income tax + ~30% social security). Multiply by 14 (Yes there are 14 salaries in a year. Don't ask.) and the yearly gross is 42000€. Edit: https://casa.sapo.pt/ for a look at the real estate market. "para venda" is for sale, "para alugar/aluguer" is for rent.
In Portugal, Social Security taxation for a full-time employee is 11%.
42000€ per year gross salary lands you in the 28.5% income tax.
A yearly gross salary of 42000€ is about +/- 1800€ salary/month.
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#313It's a catch 22
1 - Spanish Universities not in tune with the market reality, pouring out thousands of unemployed people into the market...
2 - Graduates living in a bubble... 99% not wanting to move their asses and thinking that the academic degree is all they need. Get a crappy job or move to another country. Let others create the jobs...
3 - Zero entrepreneurial spirit and risk aversion, making starting up a remote to non-existing option. Blame it on the executives of your crappy company, and obviously, the government...
4 - Gov not having a clue about scientific research, innovation and entrepreneurship, with policies that fail to build a proper ecosystem for startups, and also fail to connect academic and industry worlds (I.e: Silicon Valley Stanford).
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#314Re: Spain Runs Out of Workers with Almost 5M Unemployed
#315Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Well, first of all you need to be fluent in three or four languages My understanding is that English to CEFRL level B1 was mandatory to work at a multi-national company. Are there other languages required?
Yes, it happens. In any case 500 millions of people have spanish as native language in the world so "mandatory" is a relative term. You will need chinese to work in China, and spanish or portuguese to work in South-America. If you don't speak Catalan and live in Cataluña you just will never finish the middle school. Or if you want to work for the administration you will be ostracised or directly banned for working fo…
Oh please, spare the HN crowd of your anti-Catalan obsessions. Or, on second thought, please continue to educate the community on the anti-Catalan sentiment that is unfortunately so common throughout Spain.
> If you don't speak Catalan and live in Cataluña you just will never finish the middle school.
Or you will learn Catalan which is kinda the fucking point of education? Boo-hoo, Catalonians want kids to learn Catalan if they are going to live in Catalonia! By the way Spanish is mandatory too, why won't you find a problem with that?
> Or if you want to work for the administration you will be ostracised > Is just that is trendy to ask for this.
Try getting a job in the public administration in Spain without speaking Spanish, in France without speaking French, in Italy without speaking Italian, in the UK without speaking English... see the pattern? Should we give up our right to address our public administration in our own language just to please non-Catalan Spaniards?
> because you are "an subhuman stubborn charnego"
Your comment depicts the Catalonian society as overtly xenophobic. This is an extremely offensive and unfair characterization of Catalonian society as millions of native Spanish speakers living here can certify. You are either completely misinformed about Catalonia, or spreading lies deliberately (both being extremely common within Spain).
Fortunately support for independence is growing fast. Hopefully once we are independent we won't have to endure this sort of bs anymore.
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#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
Leaving aside the validity of the 10x programmer concept, the company still needs to be able to extract that extra performance in actual value. Most software jobs in Spain don't have productivity of that kind. Almost no companies here develop software products or services whose effectiveness translates directly into revenue. Very few of those who have tried have had any sort of long-term success.
I agree that measuring productivity is a hard, universal problem. While I don't claim to commit 10x more LOCs, I do write exceptional abstractions that allow me to get things done in a quick, robust way. I've met far too many 'senior' developers blatantly breaking DRY because they don't really know/use all features $language or $framework has to offer.
I'll just leave this here: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lin...
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#317> Pimentel’s client asked him for list of candidates trained in “Agile” project management techniques for helping companies boost their productivity by using more I.T. systems. The client was offering as much as 200,000 euros ($220,000) a year -- almost 10 times the average salary in Spain. > But such people are thin on the ground in Spain. It takes at least eight months for an experienced software developer to earn…
> Spanish executives are less-skilled than their competitors in Germany, France or Italy This is hilarious. Say that to Amancio Ortega :-)
Your comment is hilarious, in itself. Actually, you're hilarious.
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#318One of my first jobs (in the US) had a great strategy for getting low cost talent:
1. Hire cheap 2. Train on the job 3. Lock in your investment with a multi-year employment contract, broken down into options to "not renew" the contract at 6-month, then 12-month, intervals.
Worked great, they got cheap talent and a means to weed people out, and I got valuable training I used for the next 15 years.
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#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I'd stay far away from anyone who thinks you need 8 months to grasp the concepts of Agile. Sounds like @horse_recruiter is running the talent search. That ridiculous expectation is probably a symptom of some pretty dysfunctional management in general.
For a developer, no. For someone involved in non-technical delivery, I would expect they had experience delivering agile projects. (Of course, agile projects typically call them product owners instead, a subtle distinction.) I've been involved with agile projects since 2006 and I am still learning new ways of delivering software that solves the right problem, developing team cohesion, surfacing risk early, and other…
>> Here's the 30 seconds if you don't have anyone around. Start with trying to group the next most important thing to do in a 2 week chunk. Every day, talk with each other and make sure to surface any problems and risks as fast as possible. Have at least one person who will use the software sitting with the team to answer questions as they pop up. And every week, take an hour to figure out what's working well, what isn't, and what you need to adjust to make things work more smoothly
Pretty darn good summary.
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#320So I live in Barcelona at the moment. I have 10 years of system administration experience and 3 years of devops / sysadmin experience as well. The average salary I am offered when I look around is between 25K and 45K Euros a year. However, I would say the ratio is about 60% For friends and family that are looking it really depends. If you are lucky and have / had a position in certain companies who are well known, yo…
This promotion stagnation happens in the US as well, but if the market is fluid enough you can get the promotion by changing employers now that you have your 5+ years experience in skills and methodology.