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Google collects metadata from Android phones

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Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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For what it's worth, I have my doubts that this applies to a generic call/sms on any old Android device. I would think it's more likely to apply to services such as the Hangouts calling or Google Voice, and probably Google Fi, all of which make sense to collect that data, but the privacy policy doesn't absolve itself of that. > When this Privacy Policy applies > Our Privacy Policy applies to all of the services offer…

> For what it's worth, I have my doubts that this applies to a generic call/sms on any old Android device.

Why? What incentive is there to not collect that data if they've deemed it valuable enough to adjust their policies to collect it?

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

#92

Just go on activity controls and disable "device information": https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols?hl=en&pli=1&ot...

I disabled every control on this page months ago. Unfortunately, the Google Maps app won't remember searches unless you're logged in and share your entire location history. There's just no way to keep a local history of places in Maps. I'll get rid of Google Maps as soon as Maps.me let me stream OSM maps instead of downloading packages one-by-one.

Yeah, this is one of those extreme punitive peeves about the way Google has written it's products. It's either "we get all your data" or "even you don't get your data on the same device". There's no good reason not to let location history work on the local hardware.

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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The article seems to imply that this is a recent addition to the privacy policy. Google keeps archived versions of their privacy policies ( https://www.google.de/intl/en/policies/privacy/archive/ ), and you can easily see that the "telephony log information" was added in the March 1st 2012 revision of the Google privacy policy. You can see a summary on https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/what-actually-changed-... A…

The problem is that at the time they added a lot of "vague language" that maybe allowed them to do this, or didn't. But because Google may not be doing a certain collection of data then, it means journalists can't really attack Google for it, because everyone would point out that "it's just vague like that for legal reasons, but Google wouldn't actually do that." So whoever suggests they would do it gets shut down pretty quickly because he or she has no proof Google is doing that right then.

But then a couple of years later they turn on that data collection without anyone realizing, and it may take a few years before some do.

This happened with Microsoft do. When it was suggested that Microsoft can collect every key stroke because that's what their privacy policy says, most said "but that's crazy! Microsoft wouldn't actually do that" (even if that's what the policy says it can do). But the reality this we'd have no idea if Microsoft does indeed do that, maybe not for advertising purposes, but for law enforcement purposes (especially since half of the requests come with gag orders now, as Microsoft recently said when it launched the lawsuit against DoJ).

The default understanding of a privacy policy should be "if the policy allows something, then we should assume the company is doing exactly that." No other understand makes sense in practice.

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook wants to know why you didn’t publish that status update you started writing. > Unfortunately, the code in your browser that powers Facebook still knows what you typed—even if you decide not to publish it.* It turns out that the things you explicitly choose not to share aren't entirely private. http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/1...

Reminds me of the Petraeus scandal where they communicated via unsent Gmail drafts in a shared account. EDIT: From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeus_scandal Petraeus and Broadwell used fake names to create free webmail accounts exchanging messages without encryption tools. They would share an email account, with one saving a message in the drafts folder and the other deleting it after reading it.

Brilliant

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disabled every control on this page months ago. Unfortunately, the Google Maps app won't remember searches unless you're logged in and share your entire location history. There's just no way to keep a local history of places in Maps. I'll get rid of Google Maps as soon as Maps.me let me stream OSM maps instead of downloading packages one-by-one.

Yeah, this is one of those extreme punitive peeves about the way Google has written it's products. It's either "we get all your data" or "even you don't get your data on the same device". There's no good reason not to let location history work on the local hardware.

A very good reason for Google though - they want your data. As is not providing full API to their service.

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

#97
So, we are pretty much bound to choose between Android and iOS, because of the whole apps platform thing.

I've always considered Google to be evil if not proven otherwise. It is a simple conflict of interest to trust Google with the user's privacy. They make money by creating profiles on users and serving relevant ads. I'd be an idiot to keep on asking them to play nice and respect my privacy.

Apple on the other hand seems to be aligned to respect privacy in principle, and publicly claims it doesn't violate user's privacy. But, there is no way to verify their system because of the proprietary nature. So I treat them as less evil.

Before you suggest something like Replicant. They are only slightly better than the feature phones because of the lack of the new and fancy apps and with a label that reads "If you need serious privacy stay away from any telephony-enabled device" http://www.replicant.us/freedom-privacy-security-issues.php

So, I guess the only choice is to stay paranoid and not trust your phone with any sensitive private data.

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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post #82

The article seems to imply that this is a recent addition to the privacy policy. Google keeps archived versions of their privacy policies ( https://www.google.de/intl/en/policies/privacy/archive/ ), and you can easily see that the "telephony log information" was added in the March 1st 2012 revision of the Google privacy policy. You can see a summary on https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/what-actually-changed-... A…

According to that diff, Google moved from opt-in sharing of DoubleClick cookies, to...potentially default-in, with a possible opt-out option buried in some unidentified settings page?

gotta love the double standard.

when verizon did their super cokie, everyone went crazy (as they should).

now that its google (doing that since before verizon it seems) the top coment is a googler throwing the issue to the side in a hitchhikers-guide-to-galaxy way ("you should have checked the alpha centaury records in 2012")

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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Is there an Android fork where this isn't a problem and which you could suggest?

Related question: given how short supported update cycles for Android devices are, which of the sub 100EURO Android phones on AliExpress are a reasonable choice in terms of installing an Android fork? I'm eyeing a cheap phone because I expect to buy another one in less than 2 years because of update support politics.

Very happy with my ulefone power, though there seems to be some hotspots on the backlight. Very capable device for the money.
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