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Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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And people freak out about some Microsoft telemetry collection.

Until very recently, Microsoft's business model had not been about profiting off collecting user information. They were one of the last remaining companies who didn't attempt to monetise the crap out of their users.

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

#82
The article seems to imply that this is a recent addition to the privacy policy. Google keeps archived versions of their privacy policies (https://www.google.de/intl/en/policies/privacy/archive/), and you can easily see that the "telephony log information" was added in the March 1st 2012 revision of the Google privacy policy.

You can see a summary on https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/what-actually-changed-...

As the EFF mentions, this was a big privacy policy change, and it was widely announced. For example, I searched through my emails right now and found an email from Google (on my @gmail.com address) on 2012-01-28 announcing the change and asking me to "please take a few minutes to read our updated Privacy Policy and Terms of Service at http://www.google.com/policies".

For completeness sake, the diff from the changes on June 28th: https://www.google.de/intl/en/policies/privacy/archive/20160...

Disclaimer: I work at Google, but not on anything related to this. I speak for myself, not for the company.

EDIT: Interestingly, the language in the 2012 unified privacy policy matches very closely the language that was used in Google Voice's privacy policy since 2009: https://web.archive.org/web/20090315193708/https://www.googl...

> Google's servers also automatically collect telephony log information (including calling-party number, forwarding numbers, time and date of calls, duration of calls, SMS routing information, and types of calls).

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

#83
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, I have my doubts that this applies to a generic call/sms on any old Android device. Does it matter? This is completely in line with their privacy strategy the last few years. Slowly add new terms to the privacy policy, so that people find it acceptable. When asked, point to some unharmful or obvious application. At any rate, it makes it possible to do what the article stated. And since a lot of s…

Their "Machine learning first" position[0] makes them even more dependent on data collection, even for basic things. I doubt the two trends are unrelated. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11954988

This isn't a trend, they've collected such data since 2012.

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely not since we've learned that (some) webpages send each keystroke while on the login page.

What is this referring to?

> Facebook wants to know why you didn’t publish that status update you started writing.

> Unfortunately, the code in your browser that powers Facebook still knows what you typed—even if you decide not to publish it.* It turns out that the things you explicitly choose not to share aren't entirely private.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/1...

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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source?

From a recent HN article: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2016/06/what-is-diff... " Starting with iOS 10, Apple is using Differential Privacy technology to help discover the usage patterns of a large number of users without compromising individual privacy. " To paraphrase, Apple has been collecting telemetry all along and is announcing that they're starting to a new proprietary algorithm to obfuscate it a bit…

You and I are reading that a different way. I see it as they're going to be able to collect this data for the first time since they've found a way to do so without compromising privacy.

Their privacy page seems to agree with my interpretation:

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

Though since iOS is closed source - we can't know for certain.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is this referring to?

> Facebook wants to know why you didn’t publish that status update you started writing. > Unfortunately, the code in your browser that powers Facebook still knows what you typed—even if you decide not to publish it.* It turns out that the things you explicitly choose not to share aren't entirely private. http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/1...

Reminds me of the Petraeus scandal where they communicated via unsent Gmail drafts in a shared account.

EDIT:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeus_scandal

    Petraeus and Broadwell used fake names to create free webmail accounts
    exchanging messages without encryption tools.
    They would share an email account, with one saving a message in the
    drafts folder and the other deleting it after reading it.

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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post #82

The article seems to imply that this is a recent addition to the privacy policy. Google keeps archived versions of their privacy policies ( https://www.google.de/intl/en/policies/privacy/archive/ ), and you can easily see that the "telephony log information" was added in the March 1st 2012 revision of the Google privacy policy. You can see a summary on https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/what-actually-changed-... A…

According to that diff, Google moved from opt-in sharing of DoubleClick cookies, to...potentially default-in, with a possible opt-out option buried in some unidentified settings page?

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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For what it's worth, I have my doubts that this applies to a generic call/sms on any old Android device. I would think it's more likely to apply to services such as the Hangouts calling or Google Voice, and probably Google Fi, all of which make sense to collect that data, but the privacy policy doesn't absolve itself of that. > When this Privacy Policy applies > Our Privacy Policy applies to all of the services offer…

For what it's worth, I have my doubts that this applies to a generic call/sms on any old Android device. Does it matter? This is completely in line with their privacy strategy the last few years. Slowly add new terms to the privacy policy, so that people find it acceptable. When asked, point to some unharmful or obvious application. At any rate, it makes it possible to do what the article stated. And since a lot of s…

Isn't Messenger AOSP?

Re: Google collects metadata from Android phones

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their "Machine learning first" position[0] makes them even more dependent on data collection, even for basic things. I doubt the two trends are unrelated. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11954988

This isn't a trend, they've collected such data since 2012.

And data science - being derived from statistics - tends to work better with a corpus of data than without one.

Disclaimer: These views are my own.

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