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NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Post by dunkelheit »

peteretep wrote: post #28
datamoshr wrote: post #8

The thing that bothers me most about this as a European is; I have zero say in this, in the US you can strike out against surveillance, you can write to senators, protest against terrible legislation. Actually have a voice, however faint it is. Whereas I don't get a say but the exact same treatment from your country. The Five Eyes have made me paranoid and the only escape seems to be downgrading your phone to a brick…

> as a European is; I have zero say in this While I don't like this, since when have foreign citizens ever had a say in a country's espionage and military programs?

That's actually fairly common. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles#Military_... for an example.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

So now they can detect the location of the "target" and send a drone to kill them from the convenience of their office, before going on lunch break.

This really sickens me. They are inferring so much and therefore many innocent people are and will suffer.

To me this system is pure evil however much the nsa try to sugar coat or spin it. Who gave them the right to do this, to track people around the world and in many cases perform extra judicial assassinations.

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Post by DanBC »

kaffee wrote: post #30
benevol wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Brexit" stats have clearly shown that UK would have remained in the EU if the "millenials" had really made use of their right to vote. The "old" generation (voting to leave the EU) clearly understands the value of their vote(s).

Voter turnout was at record levels. It's not obvious that greater turnout of "millennials" specifically was likely to happen. Typically it's difficult to ensure that one kind of voter turns out without also increasing the rate of turnout for other kinds of voters as well.

But voter turnout for younger people (18 to 24) was less than 40%.

If they'd had 75% turnout they may have swung the election.

In mid 2013 there were about 5.8m people between 18 and 24.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Post by vmateixeira »

datamoshr wrote: post #8

The thing that bothers me most about this as a European is; I have zero say in this, in the US you can strike out against surveillance, you can write to senators, protest against terrible legislation. Actually have a voice, however faint it is. Whereas I don't get a say but the exact same treatment from your country. The Five Eyes have made me paranoid and the only escape seems to be downgrading your phone to a brick…

And just wait for the TTIP outcome..

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Post by athenot »

jacquesm wrote: post #34

How would America respond if it found out that say the UK is tracking cellphones worldwide, except for British subjects of course, but including all Americans on American soil?

That would be called a cyber attack, and the group responsible would be portrayed as an "evil" group.

2 weights, 2 measures...

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Post by furyg3 »

If Americans (of which I am one) and the US government believe that it is self-evident that all men are created equal, then surely they should apply the principles that they have enshrined in their constitution to all equals when dealing with them, regardless of whether or not they are a US Citizen or where on earth they are.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Post by nxzero »

DanBC wrote: post #33
kaffee wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voter turnout was at record levels. It's not obvious that greater turnout of "millennials" specifically was likely to happen. Typically it's difficult to ensure that one kind of voter turns out without also increasing the rate of turnout for other kinds of voters as well.

But voter turnout for younger people (18 to 24) was less than 40%. If they'd had 75% turnout they may have swung the election. In mid 2013 there were about 5.8m people between 18 and 24.

>> "In mid 2013 there were about 5.8m people between 18 and 24."

Which is what percentage of the voting population?

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Post by gardano »

benevol wrote: post #13
dandelion_lover wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...or make you think you have done something useful.

The "Brexit" stats have clearly shown that UK would have remained in the EU if the "millenials" had really made use of their right to vote. The "old" generation (voting to leave the EU) clearly understands the value of their vote(s).

To me, the vote was actually non-binary.

There were the Remain votes, the Leave votes, but then there the Protest votes -- which from my perspective were votes that said "I want to Remain, but dammit I don't like how things are going right now".

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