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Re: New Cities

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Maybe in denser cities or downtown but where I live and work if I wanted to take a bus my easy 9 mile 20 minute drive becomes 60 to 90 minutes with 3 bus changes. That's a lot of ground to make up.

I hope the aspiration for new cities would start with the presumption of density. An experiment like this should be trying to solve a problem, not just add more urban sprawl, and you don't get a city culture off preplanned road infrastructure and zoning laws.

It's an interesting question: how does one maximize the potential interconnections between people and places? I know that when I'm in a dense city, it definitely feels like there are a lot more places and things I can visit than when I'm in a suburban area with a car.

But that needs to be balanced with the desires of some to have fewer connections, but perhaps more yard. And some people honestly desire to have fewer connections and live further away from others.

However, what if the suburban area was more varied in locations: smaller businesses and corner markets mixed in with residential areas? Right now most suburban development consists square miles of nothing but residential cul-de-sacs peppered with massive clusters of big box stores that require huge parking lots and must serve large numbers of people to survive. People want the big box stores because they think they save money, but the same savings are possible with lots of small stores as long as there's a real market and clever people running small businesses. With that type of sparse use of land, greater distances between things on average but with the speed of cars, would that allow more interconnections than density?

I think that over the past few decades, that those that desire the yard, and those that desire fewer interconnections have been able to prevent those that want density from building it. There's a clear undersupply of dense locations and a clear oversupply of sparse locations.

I think the key is to have lots of diversity so that many experiments can be tried. Right now there have been few styles that have been tried with cars, and though I personally consider it a failure in that I don't want to live like that, there are plenty of people that consider density to be a failure and would never want to live like that. Any solution(s) to cities should be able to meet everybody's desires.

Re: New Cities

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Can this city please use version control for its laws? I want to be able to git blame and git diff my laws.

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Are you intentionally talking past urban planners? They are literally the expert on this topic.

And yet, there's virtually nothing within reasonable walking distance from my house, and there is no commercially-zoned land nearby that would allow someone to open up a coffee shop/corner store/restaurant/pub/whatever. Literally no community-oriented locations anywhere nearby. In the summer, it's possible to bike to Safeway, but summer doesn't last all that long and then there's a pile of snow on the ground again. I…

It's disingenuous to lay that fully at the feet of urban planners though there's only so much they can do via the tools that local governments provide budget and political support are both limited in a lot of cases. Also just because there's the space provided for commercial spaces to open doesn't guarantee you'd have the coffee shop/corner store/restaurant/pub/whatever you're asking for.

Re: New Cities

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I have long had a vision for building a new city-state in a relatively unpopulated part of the world and just allowing millions of immigrants to move there (the tough part would obviously be getting the government that owns that territory to go along with it). Hopefully in 15-20 years, when energy (from solar?) is abundant and cheap, making stuff like water desalination and vertical farming cheap, a place like Wester…

The biggest problem is making the place sustainable AFTER it's constructed and preventing the sheer emptiness that's plagued China's planned and constructed cities.

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Instead of paying taxes people should be forced to do mandatory community service. That will help close the wealth-gap and force wealthy people to intermix with the working class.

Sounds a lot like sending engineers to potato fields to collect potatoes and get to know the country side. I don't know a single instance of where compulsory "mixing" of wealthy and less wealthy yielded a decrease in the wealth gap.

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Cities need to be optimized for serendipitous social, intellectual, and cultural encounters between people. Maximize these, and you will have the best of cities.

This means public squares and pedestrian-friendly landscapes, as everyone well knows. This also means housing the homeless. The smell of urine and the general feeling of squalor comprises the bulk of the burden of negative feeling for me in SF.

Re: New Cities

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I love streetcars, but since there are too many cars on the road, trying to get around downtown is a joke. That said I take the King which is known for being one of the worst I think. It's faster for me to walk a lot of the time.

Yeah, streetcars in such a congested city only really work when they have their own rights-of-way. Is the Spadina streetcar done yet?

Yep

Re: New Cities

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> Every other method of high-density transportation is also a "human amplifier" and vastly more efficient. It might be more efficient on average, if you measure in terms of throughput. It isn't more efficient for individual people, who care more about latency. I don't want to turn a 20-minute trip into a 60-minute trip to improve throughput. I do look forward to fleets of efficient self-driving cars as a better optio…

Driving is only faster in high density areas due to misappropriation of infrastructure. The subway, light rail, and dedicated bus lane can be faster than cars, especially when you factor in parking. This is the case in many areas of many cities that do have appropriate infrastructure in place. For example, I can take a dedicated bus lane into my city center in about 30 minutes, whereas driving takes at least 45 minut…

Yes, you can take a bus into your city center faster at rush hour. That's exactly what public transit is really good at: getting people to a common destination at a common time.

Now, how fast can you get from an arbitrary point in the city to an arbitrary point in the city at an arbitrary time of day?

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Of course cars have a place too. Having two smallish children, cars are a great way for my family to get around for many things. But it's nice when they are one option among many, and not set on a pedestal as the only one. For instance, when we lived in Padova: we'd ride bikes around the neighborhood when the weather was good. I'd walk to get groceries. My wife and I often rode bikes downtown for 'date night'. We'd t…

Changing the way cars function inside the city is only part of what would need to change. Near me things just aren't laid out well for pedestrians. It would take me about an hour to walk to the nearest grocery store (not counting corner stores, because all they sell is junk food). Biking should be much shorter, though I can't say I've ever tried. We would need to stop the trend of having a small number of large store…

Could do quick delivery of dry goods, and only go to the store for fresh produce that you really want to inspect.

I'd love Amazon to drop off a bag of rice by drone.

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