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Re: New Cities

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post #95

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Of course cars have a place too. Having two smallish children, cars are a great way for my family to get around for many things. But it's nice when they are one option among many, and not set on a pedestal as the only one. For instance, when we lived in Padova: we'd ride bikes around the neighborhood when the weather was good. I'd walk to get groceries. My wife and I often rode bikes downtown for 'date night'. We'd t…

Changing the way cars function inside the city is only part of what would need to change. Near me things just aren't laid out well for pedestrians. It would take me about an hour to walk to the nearest grocery store (not counting corner stores, because all they sell is junk food). Biking should be much shorter, though I can't say I've ever tried. We would need to stop the trend of having a small number of large store…

> Cars are on a pedestal not only because of convenience and speed, but because they're the lowest common denominator.

The lowest common denominator? I don't own a car, and I'm sure many other people in my city don't either, so no: it's not the lowest common denominator for us: walking is.

Cars are themselves very expensive and require a massive amount of infrastructure to function. Look around a city and think of all the cars, streets, parking lots, highways, etc, used for cars. Then think how that all impacts any other mode of transportation other than vehicles. Go deeper and imagine a world without those cars - what to do with all this new-found space?

The words you're looking for is, "status quo". Cars are on the, "status quo" pedestal. They've replaced everything else because their massively profitable to produce. Damn the long-trail environmental cost of them, or how they've influenced the design of our modern cities.

Re: New Cities

#382
Britain tried this after WWII, building about 20 "new towns".[1] China is doing it in a big way right now. Building isn't the hard part. The usual problem is a lack of jobs.

Check out the US census population projection for the next 50 years.[2] Population is leveling off, and if immigration is restricted, it will decline. Most of the EU countries, and Japan, are already in population decline. Also see Fig. 6, "Dependency ratios". The US is headed for a situation where 75% of the population is either too old or too young to work. Retirees increase from 23% now to 43% in 2060.

We will need more retirement communities to warehouse old people until they die.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_towns_in_the_United_Kingdo... [2] https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publicatio...

Re: New Cities

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Cars underground is a great idea but you'd need to find a way to make GPS work, especially since GPS is necessary for autonomous cars which are obviously a thing of the future.

GPS is helpful, and key, to autonomous cars. But let's not forget the various ways GPS can be hacked. We need multiple methods of navigation (visual/radar/lidar to stay within lines and avoid obstacles, inertial/GPS like aircraft use to sanity check your inputs, ground-based authenticated systems to identify current location (imagine being able to poll an intersection for its identity, we already have computers at ev…

GPS is more key for long term navigation and knowing when the car should look for a turn. Simple road following through LIDAR and other local sensors is enough for 90-99% of tunnels today since they are mostly just single roads from point A to B without required turns.

Re: New Cities

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Ah, I took a different take on your original post. I'll leave my original reply, as I still agree with the point, but I see where you're going with this and heartily agree. One of my main complaints with where I live is that it's a round-trip hour to walk to any store, yet $DEITY forbid that we put a corner store anywhere in my neighborhood lest a developer be prevented from plopping another house on that plot.

Agree in general - but keep in mind that $DEITY is often your neighbors. Developers generally aren't the ones pushing for restrictive zoning laws, residents are. For decades Americans have lived under the impression that businesses near homes is somehow a corrupting influence, and that putting businesses far from homes is somehow a feature and not a bug. The current suburban landscape in America is the result of both…

If what the central planning authority does is mainly pre-empt more restrictive planning, that might be worth a shot.

Re: New Cities

#385

Are you intentionally talking past urban planners? They are literally the expert on this topic.

And yet, there's virtually nothing within reasonable walking distance from my house, and there is no commercially-zoned land nearby that would allow someone to open up a coffee shop/corner store/restaurant/pub/whatever. Literally no community-oriented locations anywhere nearby.

In the summer, it's possible to bike to Safeway, but summer doesn't last all that long and then there's a pile of snow on the ground again.

If they want a seat at the table, they've got to get better at what they do.

Re: New Cities

#386
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Look to how Tokyo does things. A few takeaways: - mixed use zoning: reduce requirement for long trips by mixing many compatible types of commercial with residential, and remove single housing type developments. Also, allow many smaller apartment complexes mixed with single family houses, instead of segregating housing types. - street design: No more hierarchical/dendritic street layouts. That is, no more dead-end str…

Does the perfect city really need to focus on higher population density? It seems like less density is ultimately what most people would want.

Re: New Cities

#387
Optimize for pedestrian traffic or mass transit for most daily activities; but remember this:

People love cars!

So make sure that something like a zipcar is present when someone feels like taking a drive to the mountains on the weekend. Or, make sure that rental vans are available when someone needs to move something too big to carry on the bus.

Re: New Cities

#388
post #310

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In a walkable city with small markets, you pop into the market as you walk past it on the way home from work, grab ~4 things for supper and carry them home. It takes about 5 minutes, and you do it 7 times a week. In a surburb, you spend some time making a shopping list to ensure you don't forget something, drive to the store, spend at least 30 minutes getting everything (it takes at least 5 minutes to walk from one e…

I'd question those numbers: 5 minutes for urban shopping and 2 hours for suburb shopping. So you're saying that in 7 5 minute stops (35 minutes), you're able to accomplish what it takes someone else in a suburban mega-grocery store to accomplish in 2 hours? Apart from that, though, almost anything that you can easily plan out and do in bulk is going to out-efficiency something done in smaller iterations involving a l…

If the choice is between driving to the store 1x a week vs 7x a week, then you have an excellent point, but if the choice is between driving 1x a week and walking 5-7x a week, in the long run the latter is much better for my health, and it replaces time I spend on the treadmill in the gym.

Re: New Cities

#389
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Cars and tunnels existed for a lot longer than GPS.

Yes, and no one wants to go back to the pre-GPS days.

I got the map out the last time I was in the car. Far quicker than waiting for my phone to get a GPS lock.

Re: New Cities

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It’s a $3.99 kindle book written by a career political blogger. Imagine the amazon reviews as the comments on a newspaper site.

Since people frequently buy off of Amazon, the parent is not banking on people buying the kindle book, he's banking on them clicking his affiliate link and buying a bigger ticket item some time today which will net him more commission. The affiliate link to the $3.99 ebook is just to get them in the door and his affiliate cookie planted. So regardless of the review content, the fact that the parent felt the need to a…

I really don't see a problem with with him "skimming" a few bucks off me. Its a tiny reward (4%? 8%?) for information, and it doesn't increase the price for me either.
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