So... does anyone really think any democratic government would be so crazy as to totally discard the results of a referendum they called?
There are any number of excuses for revisiting the decision, especially considering it was so close.
A Scenario Where Brexit Does Not Actually Happen
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#22The brexit will happen, but the result will be a trade agreement that imposes almost the same set of conditions on the UK, except without the ability of the UK to veto new EU measures. In short, the UK is still going to be controlled by Europe, but now without veto powers. The negotiators won't be trying too hard to get a better deal from the EU, because they'll be the ones in power, and if they fail to negotiate a d…
The alternative is to delay the process long enough to form a bloc with other countries that are considering leaving the EU. That's a vision the UK could rally around if they are serious about their independence and securing the best deal for themselves. If they are half-hearted, they will get a bad deal.
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#23The media has been fairly biased wrt. Brexit up to the referendum but after the result is in they have just gone completely stupid. Boris Johnson is an excellent future leader of the conservatives and will do very well as a prime minister. That he was able to become mayor of London shows his broad appeal to what is traditionally a left-winged and very EU-positive place. What will happen now is much more about the fut…
Living in London I find your respect for Johnson surprising. Here is is a summary of his achievements, most of which began before he was involved: http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/politics/ex... The push for a better and bigger airport on the estuary was a good idea IMO, even if it failed, otherwise it struggle to think of any concrete achievements. I doubt he'll make it to prime minister though, for…
My point is merely that he got elected in London which is not an easy thing for a conservative.
UK's decision and how it will be handled will have very big influence over the rest of Europe and will set the agenda for the growing EU opposition here.
The media frames this as an (almost isolated) UK problem but it really is not.
It is about the EU.
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#24The brexit will happen, but the result will be a trade agreement that imposes almost the same set of conditions on the UK, except without the ability of the UK to veto new EU measures. In short, the UK is still going to be controlled by Europe, but now without veto powers. The negotiators won't be trying too hard to get a better deal from the EU, because they'll be the ones in power, and if they fail to negotiate a d…
the UK is still going to be controlled by Europe
No it won't, as the EU has become a legislative body governing aspects of people's lives in the UK and it will no longer be the case.
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#25So... does anyone really think any democratic government would be so crazy as to totally discard the results of a referendum they called?
The government is fucked either way. There's no way they can give voters the things they promised to get that result, and they know it. The likely end result is that a whole bunch of the losing side's "fearmongering" turns out to be unfortunately accurate, and they probably knew that too.
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#26So... does anyone really think any democratic government would be so crazy as to totally discard the results of a referendum they called?
Happens all the time. The very union the British voted to Brexit lacks a ratified constitution, due to the rejection of referenda to ratify it in France and The Netherlands. Yet, the project continues!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Consti...
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#27So... does anyone really think any democratic government would be so crazy as to totally discard the results of a referendum they called?
Greece has been there, done that.
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#28The brexit will happen, but the result will be a trade agreement that imposes almost the same set of conditions on the UK, except without the ability of the UK to veto new EU measures. In short, the UK is still going to be controlled by Europe, but now without veto powers. The negotiators won't be trying too hard to get a better deal from the EU, because they'll be the ones in power, and if they fail to negotiate a d…
The UK is a major market for EU countries, and Merkel understands this better than Juncker. This is not a case of English xenophones vs enlightened Europeans.
Ask the average Greek person as to what they think about the EU.
The UK has decided to disconnect from the EU Project because it is failing.
Instead, the UK has been connecting with other growing economies outside the EU.
It is a tough decision, but in the long term it is the right one, both for the UK and for the people of Europe.
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#29So... does anyone really think any democratic government would be so crazy as to totally discard the results of a referendum they called?
Remember what happened to the Greek referendum lead by the Syriza government in 2015? People voted something and the government did the exact opposite. No wonder people are voting more and more with extreme right parties.
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#30So... does anyone really think any democratic government would be so crazy as to totally discard the results of a referendum they called?
Happens all the time. The very union the British voted to Brexit lacks a ratified constitution, due to the rejection of referenda to ratify it in France and The Netherlands. Yet, the project continues! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Consti...
Speaking of which, isn't it about damn time UK got its own Constitution?