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Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit

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Re: Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit

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Post by pimlottc »

anexprogrammer wrote: post #89
masklinn wrote: post #68

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> Scotland and Northern Ireland mostly want to stay in Europe NI is in a real bad situation though, they mostly want to stay in the EU but I don't think they can survive as an independent country[0], so they're stuck between their Unionist majority / Out minority on one side and the In majority / Nationalist minority on the other. Historical polls put the Union majority as comparable to the In one but United Ireland…

I heard on the news earlier that already large numbers have sought Eire citizenship by applying for an Irish (hence EU) passport. (All northern Ireland citizens are entitled to dual nationality). So it may end up helping the United Ireland opinion by proxy if large numbers continue to seek Irish passports.

> All northern Ireland citizens are entitled to dual nationality

AFAICT, Northern Ireland citizens do not have any special eligibility for Republic of Ireland citizenship; however, many of them likely qualify under the normal requirements which permit anyone born, or whose parents or grandparents were born, anywhere on the island of Ireland.

Re: Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit

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Post by ommunist »

IkmoIkmo wrote: post #54
vonnik wrote: post #14

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Independence is a mirage, as is control. No individual nor country in the world is independent. We are all interdependent on one another, and ever more so as the movement of data, goods and people accelerates. The EU is a framework is facilitate that interdependence, and while it has many faults, it was created to prevent another world war and in that it has succeeded. Great Britain's future is very dependent on the…

This really is a key point. The UK contributed a net of something like 140m pounds a week or so to the EU, that's about 7b pounds on a 1.8 trillion pound economy, or a small (0.3%) fraction or so of the GDP. For that they got 10% or so of the votes in all European affairs, and access to a market (50% of UK exports are to the EU) under favourable trade agreements, which are easily worth 0.3% of GDP in and of itself. N…

You are right, in a way. But politics is not only about achieving or keeping long-term economical gains. Perhaps someone ar 10 Downing Str. sacrificed a large figure to gain certain strategic advantage in the future world that was planned in Watford in 2013, and we common folk just do not onow what it will look like. The war in Europe is now more possible.

Re: Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit

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Post by azernik »

Animats wrote: post #48

This may mean the breakup of the United Kingdom, too. Scotland and Northern Ireland mostly want to stay in Europe, and may choose to leave the UK, leaving Britain and Wales as the UK.[1] As a practical matter, it will become harder to do business into the EU from Britain. Visiting the EU from Britain may require a visa, and visiting Britain from the EU almost certainly will. This is really about Keeping Britain White…

England and Wales, you mean. Britain refers to the whole island, including Scotland.

Re: Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit

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Post by [deleted] »

raverbashing wrote: post #119
benologist wrote: post #104

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The Visa Waiver Agreement still requires you to stand in line and wait for an interview, the only difference is it takes place in the airport/etc on the day vs embassy.

"Visa Waiver" is US terminology And yeah, pretty much all places that don't require a visa do that

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Re: Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit

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Post by ommunist »

justin66 wrote: post #40
dr_ick wrote: post #27

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So no companies have announced they are moving. They are evaluating the situation, as any responsible corporation should. The UK banking system is not about to collapse.

London will give up its position as "world financial capital," I would think. That always seemed a bit odd, and now that they're losing one of their main advantages...

They are gaining one! Swiss banking privacy rules down under EU pressure. The UK now have freedom to keep large money more private than Swiss can do from now.

Re: Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit

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Post by caoilte »

pimlottc wrote: post #121
anexprogrammer wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard on the news earlier that already large numbers have sought Eire citizenship by applying for an Irish (hence EU) passport. (All northern Ireland citizens are entitled to dual nationality). So it may end up helping the United Ireland opinion by proxy if large numbers continue to seek Irish passports.

> All northern Ireland citizens are entitled to dual nationality AFAICT, Northern Ireland citizens do not have any special eligibility for Republic of Ireland citizenship; however, many of them likely qualify under the normal requirements which permit anyone born, or whose parents or grandparents were born, anywhere on the island of Ireland.

That's basically all non-immigrants.

Also all children of immigrants since 2005.

Re: Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit

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Post by Cuuugi »

Cuuugi wrote: post #98
badsock wrote: post #58

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As a Canadian, I want nothing to do with a country where a party like UKIP has the kind of sway they demonstrated yesterday.

Also speaking as a Canadian, i am ok with it. We have multiple political views in this country, you don't speak for all of us.

So the guy before me spouts a bigoted conspiracy theory, and i get downvoted? cool. Thanks HN!

Re: Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit

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Post by cromwellian »

Right now, among all industrialized economies, there is a crisis happening as deindustrialization is taking place. This has fundamentally altered the assumptions of steady and stable middle class economic growth that was an anomaly mostly between the 1940s-1970s.

As a result, people are mad "at the system", what what we're seeing is political movements redirecting public anger at whatever target they wish. In the US, anger is being redirected at Mexicans, in the UK, apparently, it's Immigrants and Brussels.

But realistically, how is tinkering with trade or immigration policy going to fix the underlying issues that say, a retired Mill worker cares about? He's being told that regaining sovereignty, or stemming the immigrant flow will "make Britain great again", but there's no logical connection between A and B.

What's happening is, we seem to be coming apart at the seams. We are facing an economic transition period perhaps more important than the transition from agriculture to industrial economics, and it may leave vast numbers of people with no recourse, especially as more and more automation happens in the future.

There are policy changes we could make, like figuring out ways to tax automation productivity and supply a basic income for those displaced. We can argue over specific remedies.

But building a "wall", either a real one (Trump), or a virtual one (an isolationist Island), is not going to restore the former economic compact that the 65-and-over crowd grew up with.

I really see whats happening as quite exploitative of people's anger and fears. Our politicians are preying on our worst tribalist instincts peddling non-solutions in order to punish people and institutions who are not at fault.

Re: Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit

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Post by derriz »

zeveb wrote: post #76
ubernostrum wrote: post #35

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I can't help wondering if there's an effect here like the one that produces anti-vaccination attitudes. We're running out of people who have direct experience of a world before routine vaccination for childhood illnesses, and so the downside of taking the anti-vaccine stance simply isn't apparent to people until their own children die of preventable illness, at which point it's too late to help. Similarly, I wonder i…

> when the UK joined the European common market The problem is that the EU should have remained the Common Market, instead of growing into a largely unaccountable, largely undemocratic, largely technocratic, ungainly nightmare. I think that a United States of Europe is inevitable, and even a good idea, but it should have been done slowly, gradually and with respect for the differing peoples of Britain and the Contine…

> The problem is that the EU should have remained the Common Market, instead of growing into a largely unaccountable, largely undemocratic, largely technocratic, ungainly nightmare.

Sure if you want to sell coal and steel to each other, then the original common market works. If you want to freely trade food, then the lack of product equivalence means it requires far more work and yes burocracy. The next level up is services which requires incredible effort and reams of regulation; ironically the UK has benefited from this more than most EU countries as it is a service oriented economy. The last WTO talks collapsed for a reason - trade deals for stuff that isn't a simple commodity are complex and difficult.

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