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Of course. Civilisation is built with wars and by killing those who don't share the values of the majority. Why? Because if you don't do it, somebody else will do it to you. As simple as that. Pacifists are nuts.
For those of you outside the UK, please realise that this was not a xenophobic vote. Just because there were racist scum in the crowd voting brexit, doesn't mean all brexit supporters are likewise. There are many reasons why people voted to leave but the journalism covering this seemed to only be able to cover the sensationalist parts of the debate in the most childish fashion. This needed a serious discussion amongs…
This is the greatest reason the polls were so wrong. The media decided brexit was wrong. And therefore they used the age-old argument "all who vote leave are rayciss". So leavers were in anonimity. But that does not stop them from voting. It was a shitshow.
Now if only the media would stop doing this and try actual reasoned debate instead.
As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…
"The EU needs the UK" Not true. It is the reverse because the UK runs a gigantic trade deficit: in 2014 they exported 472 billion USD, but imported 663 billion USD¹. In fact the UK is the second country in the world with the largest trade deficit (behind the US). A huge portions of UK's export go to Europe, therefore the EU has definitely more say when it comes to negotiating trade deals with the UK. I would be very…
The ideals of the union certainly haven't been held up with what has actually occurred. The fear factor being put out about doom and gloom for UK people's is mostly engineered by those who profit off the union and don't see the same margins with a separate UK or worse other drop outs. With a union marginal countries can be propped up to great profit for the financial groups but without one, who knows.
A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…
We're actually still in Europe. We're just not in the EU. EU != Europe.
The historians of the future will point at Greece for playing a major role in brexit and any subsequent demise of Europe with gaming the financial system and f *ng up the immigration issue.
We are all talking about economics but the whole deal is way more noble than mere money. No European ever has never think "woow this shinny $consumer_object is been produced inside the EU so I don't get to pay the import tax" but every single European younger than 50 at least once in its life has open up the Ryanair website and thought "for 30€ I guess this weekend I will be in London/Paris/Berlin/Madrid/Rome". The w…
> The most infuriating thing is that the oldest part of the English population is taking aways these opportunities from the youngest British. I think that's the second most infuriating part of it. The areas of the country that overwhelmingly voted against "unlimited immigration" from Europe have predominantly the ones that barely received any immigrants. Whilst London, which is destination numero uno for EU migrants,…
On the contrary, historical perspective is essential in understanding the issues that the EU is going through currently. If the German leadership took a good look in the mirror, it would see that it is subjecting Greece to a replica of the Treaty of Versaille and, as a result, should expect similar consequences. The PR outfall of that debacle is probably what pushed the Brits to vote for exit.
So, in short: Nothing at all like the interbellum.
>The PR outfall of that debacle is probably what pushed the Brits to vote for exit.
But yes, the Brits are very wise to exit, because (especially if they enter the eurozone, which is clearly the next step in ever closer union) they are definitely the "next germany". And that might even happen without joining the eurozone, by fiat.
I wish to point out an important but not-directly-economical angle to Brexit that has seemed to play an important role. I wish the liberals take a notice of the problem of immigration, mainly the immigration of from Islamic countries. I am a liberal at the core. But what I have found that when it comes to Islam, many mainstream liberals and liberal politicians follow a double standard. The legitimate criticism of Isl…
Sam Harris : Liberals failure to talk honestly about Islam is responsible for the rise of Trump [1]
Ironically Brexit might bring a federal Europe closer to reality. It strengthens the dominance of France and Germany.