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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by AnonymousPlanet » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 6:51 AM UTC

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

I wonder, how many of these cars are assembled in Britain? And how much of the supply chain is inside Britain? Will it still be economical to import parts from the EU and assemble in Britain? Maybe the supply chain will be built inside Britain, maybe assembly will shift away from Britain. This is relevant for German as well as Japanese cars. And it's not only cars.

Whatever bilateral deals will be made post brexit, there will be a lot of shifting going on.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by DominikR » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 6:51 AM UTC

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

Of course the EU will continue to threaten the UK to "reconsider" its decision. But the fact remains that countries like Switzerland and Norway are much better off in economic terms by not having joined the EU in the first place.

Citizens of the UK have to ask themselves if they are going to allow the EU to threaten them into submission.

I am now 100% sure that the EU is done, this is it. Le Pen will win the next elections in France and then they'll leave too. Same goes for the Dutch.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by MagnumOpus » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 6:51 AM UTC

Aelinsaar wrote: post #155

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

The largest importer of champange in the world? UK. Not per capita either... just the largest, in front of the US. The UK has a ton of money for luxuries and all kinds of things that the healthier economies of the EU desperately want access to.

> The UK has a ton of money

In case you didn't notice, the pound just went down the toilet. A ton of GBP is not worth all that much suddenly.

And as you say - the English need the foreign booze, so low tariffs are in their interest. The French don't want or need IPA or scrumpy, so they don't mind tariff barriers so much.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 6:51 AM UTC

disordinary wrote: post #309

The average age of someone who is voting to leave is above 60, the average age of someone who is voting to stay is below 35. The older generation have voted for something that the younger generation did not want but are now stuck with. They have voted away their future for short term gains. The sooner the baby boomers are all retired the better.

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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by dang » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 6:52 AM UTC

paganel wrote: post #247

> In my opinion, the chances of any sort of war at this point remain pretty low. I would have said the same thing 4 or 5 years ago, but in the meantime we did in fact have a war in Europe, I'm talking about the war in Eastern Ukraine (which is still part of Europe). But you're sort of right, who can think of something like that spreading to the Western side of the continent? Until last night I would would have answer…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11966692 and marked it off-topic.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by dang » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 6:52 AM UTC

wsc981 wrote: post #375

paganel wrote: post #247

> In my opinion, the chances of any sort of war at this point remain pretty low. I would have said the same thing 4 or 5 years ago, but in the meantime we did in fact have a war in Europe, I'm talking about the war in Eastern Ukraine (which is still part of Europe). But you're sort of right, who can think of something like that spreading to the Western side of the continent? Until last night I would would have answer…

I find your opinion very shocking. You seem to picture Farage as a new Stalin or Hitler? I don't buy this. Farage is no extremist. Immigration is hurting Europe. A country needs social cohesion to have a strong government. Mass-immigration without integration breaks down social cohesion. I see it happen in my country (The Netherlands). Immigration at the current scale is not sustainable. Many immigrants are from back…

Please keep flamewar boilerplate and lists of ideological talking points of HN.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by grey-area » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 6:54 AM UTC

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #401

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

I wonder, how many of these cars are assembled in Britain? And how much of the supply chain is inside Britain? Will it still be economical to import parts from the EU and assemble in Britain? Maybe the supply chain will be built inside Britain, maybe assembly will shift away from Britain. This is relevant for German as well as Japanese cars. And it's not only cars. Whatever bilateral deals will be made post brexit, t…

Britain has very little manufacturing left. The financial industry on the other hand will be hard hit as power and influence moves to Frankfurt/Berlin.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by estefan » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 6:54 AM UTC

zghst wrote: post #358

imperio59 wrote: post #340

The most interesting thing is the age distribution of votes: HOW AGES VOTED (YouGov poll) 18-24: 75% Remain 25-49: 56% Remain 50-64: 44% Remain 65+: 39% Remain Read into it what you wish, but this really sucks for the younger generation who did not want this yet will be stuck with this decision, likely for their entire lifetime.

I find the younger are usually more naive and more easily manipulated. They're young, they'll live and adapt

Whereas the old remember the "good old years before all those funny Polish shops started opening".

Well at least it'll hit their pensions. Oh, wait, no it won't because most of them will have final salary pensions schemes the working generation is paying for and could never hope to have themselves...

At least they can sell their houses which have increased in value by 100%s of percent over the last 30 years. So the older generation (& working class) have fucked us.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by lumberjack » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 6:54 AM UTC

sho_hn wrote: post #305

darawk wrote: post #271

So, devil's advocate here: Can someone explain to me why this is a bad thing? I feel like most educated people seem to think this is terrible (and the markets seem to agree), but to me, the European union seems like an anti-democratic institution that doesn't really provide much value. I mean, don't me wrong, removing trade barriers is probably good. But won't the UK just be able to pretty quickly renegotiate basical…

But how well does the UK do on democracy: Scottland and Northern Ireland will be removed from the EU against their will, by a narrow majority mostly built in Northern England. How does that actually get people a government closer to them? It seems much more sensible to remove the useless middle layer (i.e. the UK) and for everyone to collaborate in the EU. The EU being anti-democratic sounds like a case of "citation…

The European Commission does whatever it wants and the EU parliament is powerless. The EC is unelected and they have shown countless times that they don't give two hoots about the people. The whole thing is absolutely undemocratic.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by osmala » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 6:54 AM UTC

The controlling political parties in rest of EU have huge interest of making Brexit costly to Britain even if it hurts their own country. If Brexit is successful and Britain improves then Euro-optimistic parties suffer future elections. Britain is having to negotiate with lots of countries interests, each controlled by political parties with their own agendas and trying to win against other parties in their next elections. Getting rid of eastern European immigration was main reason of Brexit now Britain has to get approval of countries whose population they just slandered in elections.

Its unlikely to have ANY deal between EU and Britain, there are too many conflicting interests. So the end result is that all the EU deals just end and there is no replacement deal for them. Problem is when lots of countries want to leave their own mark on the deal and lot of people in the deal making process has vested interest in making bad deal for britain and Britain really cannot approve such deals.