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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by Scarblac »

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

The UK had a good deal. They had what Norway has, plus actual influence as a full member, plus many opt-outs. They've rejected it. What kind of good deal would they even be looking for?

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by aorth »

sengork wrote: post #179

This correlates with XE.com currency converter website being down at the moment. Probably due to the pound value fluctuating...

Hah! I noticed the same thing. I woke up and immediately went to XE currency app on Android to check the rate of GBP, but the app is having issues and even crashed once.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by zghst »

thewarrior wrote: post #242
martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

I feel that the growth of Fascist sentiment worldwide can't possibly be a coincidence. Globalisation and it's benefits are being questioned. People are disappointed. Even this vote , is actually a vote of dissatisfaction against the status quo. They just managed to direct enough of that anger against the EU. I'd like to suggest the following three hypotheses and hear what you guys think : 1. As growth slows , liberal…

People keep using the word "fascist" however that's incredibly hyperbolic. Conjecture and smears like this really make me disregard much left-wing analysis, seeing that is highly impartial.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by kele »

thirdsun wrote: post #324
slg wrote: post #198

I think this should be a wake up call for those of us who are American. Populist movements that rely heavily on anger, fear, and anti-immigration rhetoric can still be effective in western democracies even if a large majority of experts think it shouldn't and won't happen. This is the first time I have legitimately thought we might end up with a Trump presidency.

My thoughts as well - it's surprising (well, maybe not) to see how effective these populist movements are these days whether it's France (Front National), Germany (AfD), Britain (UKIP), Czech, Poland, etc. To me it seems that Switzerland is the only country where its population can be trusted with plebiscitary measures, referendums and other forms of rather direct democracy.

And yet Switzerland is much less immigration friendly than all the countries you've mentioned.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by ZenoArrow »

mrb wrote: post #252
beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

"The EU needs the UK" Not true. It is the reverse because the UK runs a gigantic trade deficit: in 2014 they exported 472 billion USD, but imported 663 billion USD¹. In fact the UK is the second country in the world with the largest trade deficit (behind the US). A huge portions of UK's export go to Europe, therefore the EU has definitely more say when it comes to negotiating trade deals with the UK. I would be very…

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. The UK has a trade deficit with the EU, which means we buy more from the EU than we sell to it. From the EU perspective, the UK is a good customer. Like it or not that counts for something.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by dang »

sverige wrote: post #302

What about the precedent of the previous, say, five or six centuries of European history? All of that is, in part, the story of "other countries' own interests." History has rightly judged Neville Chamberlain as an abysmal failure in dealing with German interests. I'm happy that Britain has given Merkel and her cronies the finger.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11966803 and marked it off-topic.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by [deleted] »

mrb wrote: post #252
beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

"The EU needs the UK" Not true. It is the reverse because the UK runs a gigantic trade deficit: in 2014 they exported 472 billion USD, but imported 663 billion USD¹. In fact the UK is the second country in the world with the largest trade deficit (behind the US). A huge portions of UK's export go to Europe, therefore the EU has definitely more say when it comes to negotiating trade deals with the UK. I would be very…

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