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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by estefan »

cm2187 wrote: post #119
martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

Short term it is going to be bad for the UK. It will have to renegociate trade agreements, this will create lots of uncertainty which isn't good for the economy, and also lots of market volatility. Long term the EU is going nowhere, it is dominated by socialist countries that will go the way of Argentina, a slow but steady decline (well under way). And the migrant crisis, which is likely only at its beginning (look a…

If the EU had been able to control its borders this would never have happened. Unfortunately it proved itself singularly incapable of dealing with even that task, having to cosy up to a dictator like Erdogan. There are too many bleeding hearts in European politics.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by darawk »

doikor wrote: post #279
darawk wrote: post #271

So, devil's advocate here: Can someone explain to me why this is a bad thing? I feel like most educated people seem to think this is terrible (and the markets seem to agree), but to me, the European union seems like an anti-democratic institution that doesn't really provide much value. I mean, don't me wrong, removing trade barriers is probably good. But won't the UK just be able to pretty quickly renegotiate basical…

UK most likely wont be able to negotiate similar terms with EU countries. France/Germany at least will be pissed with them and give UK terrible deals out of spite. I expect a lot of other EU countries to do the same. edit: Also I now have to buy my shit from France/Germany Amazon? (Or just have an English language Amazon for the continental Europe please...)

I mean, yes, they would like to make it bad for them to discourage others from leaving the EU. But will they really have the leverage to do that?

The UK is too big a trading partner of those countries for them to truly threaten any substantial denial of trade.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by zghst »

jeffwass wrote: post #161
dangjc wrote: post #95

It's amazing that such deep constitutional change will be achieved with such a slim majority. 48% of British people will be ejected out of the EU essentially against their will. The UK has always embraced first past the post voting, but it really shows here how it creates very discontinuous inflection points.

I've heard yesterday that the referendum itself is non-binding, and that Parliament is still in charge of the final decision. Further Parliamentary lawmakers are supposedly mostly pro-Remain, so given the slim margin of victory it's not clear what will ultimately happen.

Percentage wise, slim, but if we talk numbers, over 1 million people voted to leave. 1 million more people is a lot of people

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by DanBC »

pastProlog wrote: post #272

At the end of the day, the EU as it is is something that was shoved onto the people of Europe by big business, bureaucrats, Eurocrats etc. Working people feel all the negative impact of open borders and so-called "free trade", and the 1% gets all the gains from it. The mass of people barely feel they have any control over the Parliament of the UK, never mind the even more remote government in Brussels. Many see the E…

> Working people feel all the negative impact of open borders and so-called "free trade", and the 1% gets all the gains from it.

How does the 1% gain from the Working Time Directive?

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Post by wsc981 »

paganel wrote: post #247

> In my opinion, the chances of any sort of war at this point remain pretty low. I would have said the same thing 4 or 5 years ago, but in the meantime we did in fact have a war in Europe, I'm talking about the war in Eastern Ukraine (which is still part of Europe). But you're sort of right, who can think of something like that spreading to the Western side of the continent? Until last night I would would have answer…

I find your opinion very shocking. You seem to picture Farage as a new Stalin or Hitler? I don't buy this. Farage is no extremist. Immigration is hurting Europe.

A country needs social cohesion to have a strong government. Mass-immigration without integration breaks down social cohesion. I see it happen in my country (The Netherlands). Immigration at the current scale is not sustainable. Many immigrants are from backwards societies and don't adapt. Even worse, our government expects us to adapt to the immigrants way of life (just this week in Germany some nudists were prohibited from walking nude, because an asylum centrum was being build nearby the nudist camp and they might take offence [0]).

The governments of countries try to keep tensions between immigrants under wraps, especially in asylum centra. Often the guards in these centra are muslims so share the same ideas as the majority of immigrants. Woman are sometimes forced into prostitution under watchful eyes of the guards [1]. Christian & Yezidi immigrants have to hide their religion or be threatened with violence [2][3]. This kind of stuff certainly is happening in The Netherlands and Germany. Yesterday in my hometown (Dordrecht) some Kurdish people celebrated their children graduated and put out the Dutch and Kurdish flag [4]. They were threatened by about 30 Turkish people to remove flag and windows were thrown in. In retaliation other people attacked the Turkish mosque in Dordrecht [5].

In another town, last week people from Jewish decent put the Jewish flag outside their home to celebrate graduation of their son. But they too were threatened by Moroccan people to remove the flag immediately [6].

More and more Jews are leaving Europe for Israel [7]. Europe is not save anymore for Jews as more and more muslim immigrants enter Europe. In The Netherlands every synagoge has permanent security and I imagine in many other European countries it's the same. In some way an ethnic cleansing of Jews in Europe is happening right now.

We're importing tribal warfare and values into Europe on a massive scale [8]. Apparently 1 in 4 Swedish woman will be raped and the main culprits are immigrants, by a very large amount [9].

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[0]: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/row-over-refugee-...

[1]: http://awdnews.com/top-news/refugee-women-are-forced-to-beco...

[2]: http://www.dw.com/en/german-activists-decry-attacks-on-chris...

[3]: http://www.germanjoys.eu/2015/09/violent-sunni-fanatics-thre...

[4]: http://www.rijnmond.nl/nieuws/143347/Koerdische-familie-in-D...

[5]: http://nos.nl/artikel/2113139-mannen-bestormen-turkse-moskee...

[6]: http://regio.tpo.nl/2016/06/20/even-een-israelische-vlag-oph...

[7]: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jews-are-leav...

[8]: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3391075/Why-Germany-...

[9]: http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/175434/1-4-swedish-women-w...

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by iso-8859-1 »

thetmkay wrote: post #30
smcl wrote: post #14

The way Scotland voted "Remain" is pretty stark: http://imgur.com/gallery/JjbEPZZ/new I can see an Independence Referendum 2.0 being pushed through...

Can London too?

Unlike Scotland, Greater London has boroughs that voted for the exit: Barking and Dagenham, Bexley, Havering, Hillingdon and Sutton.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by pavlov »

I'm a Finn, and always thought that UK could be an interesting place to live some day. This decision completely destroys that possibility because moving to a non-EU country is not a realistic option -- I wouldn't go out of my way to look for bureaucratic headaches. Since the UK doesn't want people like me, I guess it will increasingly become another place I never think about.

This was a major win for isolationism, but it's not clear to me why an island wants to be increasingly isolated. When you're already geographically isolated, wouldn't you want to try to compensate against that by reducing mental isolation rather than actively reinforcing it?

Ultimate independence is when people forget you exist at all.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by estefan »

pbarnes_1 wrote: post #197
martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

Scotland will leave the UK. Northern Ireland will unify with the Republic. FTSE 100 will open down 12-19%, which probably wipes out ISAs all over the place. This is history in the making. Decided by something like 1 million people as of right now. Just an absolute disaster.

I completely agree. 2% of the population deciding something of this magnitude is ridiculous.
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