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UK votes to leave EU

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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by muse900 »

a13n wrote: post #12

Can someone please give an unbiased summary of what this means and how it will impact the UK, Europe, and the rest of the world?

Noone knows really, it all comes down on how the EU is going to handle the Brexit itself. If EU shows stability after Brexit the international markets are going to be dropping but not as much, and the UK market is going to have issues. On the other hand if other members of the EU decide to go UK's way then the international markets are going to have big issues. But its all speculation for now, and when the priminister of the UK triggers article 50 the UK is going to enter nagotiations for 2 years. That is going to bring the markets up and down everytime a part of a deal is not successful or succesful, so ye noone can actual say what the implications will be. There will definitely be some short crisis in the UK and EU.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by brbsix »

thetmkay wrote: post #15

I voted today. I work in London at a startup with international markets. I believe in the ideal of free movement. I think the EU is a bit of a mess conceptually and mechanically, but in general a step forward for Europe. This is really the beginning of a very long, tedious and ultimately unsatisfying couple of years of dissatisfaction and instability as we negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world.

In a free market, I find the ideal of free movement very compelling. But how do you reconcile free movement with (quasi-)socialism?

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by toyg »

mudil wrote: post #40

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom! In your world, in order to survive England needs to kneel before the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels.

I'm tired of this unelected trope. MEPs are elected, and they have final say on legislation. Commissioners PROPOSE legislation (which is then amended by Parliament committees, usually), are nominated BY THE GOVERNMENTS YOU ELECTED, and can be dismissed by the Commission President, who answers to the ELECTED European Parliament.

The failure to make people understand Lisbon 2009 reforms is what is killing the EU.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by broodbucket »

jlg23 wrote: post #77

I'm not from the UK and I don't have any problems with the Limeys but I still thinks this is awesome: For way too long national governments in the EU have passed legislation on the EU level when they could not get it through national parliaments and then they could refer to "the EU says so". I hope this serves as a wake-up call to national governments that they should actually listen to their citizens.

52% of the country just asserted that there's only one party, a minor party, that agrees with them on this incredibly important issue. Everything in UK politics is going to change.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by j1vms »

martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

If the Scots were to leave now (which IMHO is much much more likely now), Churchill will be rolling in his grave. The Great island itself surviving virtually intact from WW2 only to break itself apart due to something like this.

Though one could of course, consider this part of the ongoing aftershocks from WW2 which Britain never fully recovered from (i.e. final nail in the coffin of the Empire, its virtual indebtedness to the US), which led to what are probably the most US-like, capitalist-minded policies of the entire EU. Policies which, although making London the financial powerhouse it is, have undoubtedly alienated its rural areas, and have led to the referendum result we are seeing now.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by fixxer »

mathgenius wrote: post #54
Johnie wrote: post #7

British Pound is at the lowest level since 1985 at 1.33 USD/GBP.

I wonder how many people would change their mind now because of this. If the pound keeps tanking, perhaps the market will end up forcing a bremain. Once again the financial markets behaving like a psycho bitch. Do you remember that one girlfriend that you knew was a bad idea but you just couldn't help yourself?

Well, that rate also puts a floor under a lot of domestic manufacturing (see how it has worked for China?), so a little bit more complicated that "gee, Miami is so much more expensive now."

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Post by adrenalinelol »

martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

Wishful thinking the the EU will be "better off". There are a lot of nations far more critical of the EU than the Brits. The EU has serious problems (over-regulation, bureaucracy) and if they aren't addressed, more nations will want out if they feel they are getting played (whether the economic indicators support said opinion or not).

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by leakybit »

mudil wrote: post #36

You know what? Some of us are sick of regulations from Brussels, of unelected bureaucracy, of CE Marks of approval, of socialism, of rampant immigration, of refugees, of Russian prostitutes, of Polish kielbasa shops in London, of feeling like foreigners in our own land. And we might not be in the minority anymore.

If you don't want the Russian prostitutes, i'll be happy to take them.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by paradite »

A slightly meta discussion:

I noticed that some "typical headline news" are gathering a lot of votes and getting to the top of front page. This seems to be working against the HN guidelines:

If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

I know political news get some kind of penalties. Would that apply to a more generic headline news like this?

Personally, I upvote stories like this purely because of its significance. And I am not sure if that was the intended use case.

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