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Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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It seems to me that if you're running on the same device, the gpu should not be a variable.

IIRC everything except Edge and Safari are forced to use Silverlight for Netflix streaming. I'm not exactly sure why this is, but it probably has something to do with the mess that is video codec licensing.

Netflix plays fine in Chrome (maybe Firefox too) using HTML5, it was opt-in at one point not sure about now. I watch in Linux all the time, no Silverlight there.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Adblock isn't an "expensive extension". Ads are the expensive thing, so blocking them saves power.

It's not quite that simple [0][1], or at least it wasn't always. AdBlock Plus in particular used to rely on a massive style sheet that was injected into all tabs and frames, which degraded really quickly on pages with a lot of iframes (which, as it happens, is typically pages with lots of ads). I believe Firefox partly resolved the problem on their end later on, although I can't tell you the exact status of things. N…

No, it really is that simple[1].

The only reason I can think of for someone not using uBlock Origin is because they've never heard of it.

[1] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock#performance

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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It seems to me that if you're running on the same device, the gpu should not be a variable.

IIRC everything except Edge and Safari are forced to use Silverlight for Netflix streaming. I'm not exactly sure why this is, but it probably has something to do with the mess that is video codec licensing.

Chrome uses widevine (DRM) for Netflix which uses HTML5. Really the more significant difference is that Chrome gets capped to 720p. Edge actually gets the 1080p streams (as does IE11 on Windows 8+ and the Netflix Windows Store app).

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Edge allows extensions now or are you using an OS-level adblock?

Edge allows extensions now. https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/extensi...

I like how RES is one of the first options. I remember when the Windows 10 team did an AMA and a lot of the redditors said they'd try edge as soon as RES was available. Apparently that's now.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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I have found that safari gives best battery time on OSX (like 9 hours of use vs 6-7 when on firefox). But i generally dont use safari as battery time is not the most important factor in my common use cases.

>But i generally dont use safari as battery time is not the most important factor in my common use cases. I use Safari for almost everything. It's by far the best browser for browsing and just reading & enjoying the web. Reader interface and the speed of it is still unbeatable. I use Chrome for web development, however.

I agree here, its excellent for when I'm low on battery or just don't want to use the charger. It manages my tabs well, I was even watching a 5 hour movie on Youtube once and my battery was at 80 percent after I was done

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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So I did put in another comment that was in an overwhelmingly positive tone and that one got downvoted as well. And no they have not released the script. So I guess it was not about the tone.

And of course couple of minutes after I made my point about my second comment being downvoted, the downvotes were reversed and that comment was upvoted instead.

so your argument is that microsoft keeps on hand enough accounts with high enough karma to downvote you and then also upvote you when you call out their conspiracy so that they dont seem to be downvoting you?

your life must be a constant wonder

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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How did you control for the specific ads the browsers were served? Ads are highly dynamic. Unless you (can) include the differences in your methodology you better eliminate that influence.

Ding, ding, ding and to be fair this is the problem in both methodologies. The only way to accurately perform this test is to spider a bunch of sites, save the contents to a locally hosted HTTPD and ensure all third-party JS calls are resolved locally and test both against the exact same sites as they were spidered at a point in time. You can simply not account for changes which may happen to the markup, ad network b…

That would be as far from real world as you can get.

What you need here is a big enough sample.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Wow thanks for the moderation! I guess here in Hacker News we are all smart engineers and scientists that rely on the scientific method except for when it comes to microsoft when we all turn into drooling idol worshiping children. I wonder whether MS has a well orchestrated campaign to have multiple employees troll hn, or whether they just go to the source and buy moderation points in bulk from ycombinator.

If you really think Microsoft cares so much what score your comments get on HN that they are paying people to downvote you, you need to take a deep breath and regain some objectivity. Your comment was downvoted because it was rude and confrontational. People post things on HN all the time that criticize Microsoft without getting downvoted — because they do it without antagonizing other HN users.

> Your comment was downvoted because it was rude and confrontational.

I didn't read that at all. The situation, as it stands, involves claims and counterclaims and only one side of the argument appears as third-party verifiable. It's only natural to question why an apparent rebuttal from Microsoft doesn't come with any transparency (again!)

IMO, down voting the GP for pointing this out is bullshit.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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So I did put in another comment that was in an overwhelmingly positive tone and that one got downvoted as well. And no they have not released the script. So I guess it was not about the tone.

And of course couple of minutes after I made my point about my second comment being downvoted, the downvotes were reversed and that comment was upvoted instead.

I have had plenty of comments that were at -2 or -3 minutes after posting, and later wound up very high. My best guess is that brand-new comments get their first votes from the "[new] comments" section, which encourages people to vote based on first impressions rather than context or content, and then later get voted up by more thoughtful readers. Also, people are more likely to vote up a decent-but-not-great comment that is showing as grey to them.

I voted up your original comment, actually. Microsoft has a long history of flat-out lying; they have been getting better in recent years, but they haven't earned unquestioning trust.

I downvoted your other comments because you're being whiny and petulant and paranoid for no good reason.

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