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Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Isn't that just xenophobia?

No, I don't think so. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid but I tend to avoid software from Chinese companies because of all recent stories of a apps stealing/sending data that they don't necessarily need to function. But I suppose software from any country could do the same thing though...

I'm personally just as wary of Edge...

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Microsoft didn't just do a battery test, they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life than Chrome, Firefox: "In addition to testing battery life internally, Microsoft also looks at tens of millions of PCs that send telemetry data to the firm, Weber said. And what it sees there is simple: A small advantage over Firefox, but massive gains of about 50 percent addit…

So Microsoft is great based on some secret data that we have no access to. Which microsoft collects from my computer without my knowledge. And it is all collected by their opaque closed source os. But hey they may be right. Nothing stops them from adding code in windows 10 that intentionally wastes power whenever the user is running chrome.

The more i read this the more pissed off i feel about using windows 10. Unfortunately, they made it very hard to install another OS on new laptops.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

#113

Microsoft didn't just do a battery test, they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life than Chrome, Firefox: "In addition to testing battery life internally, Microsoft also looks at tens of millions of PCs that send telemetry data to the firm, Weber said. And what it sees there is simple: A small advantage over Firefox, but massive gains of about 50 percent addit…

> they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life It's such a pity I don't use Microsoft Windows 10 , because I'd be so thrilled to know that through the magic of telemetry , everything I do on a Microsoft Windows 10 enabled computer could help Microsoft win some crucial PR battles.

As opposed to your Apple iPhone where through the magic of telemetry every app is dumping your every finger motion into services like Mixpanel and Kahuna for later analysis.

For clarity, they captured the extremely detailed telemetry from their test devices. Most of the telemetry that Microsoft ships back to the mothership is the exact kind of telemetry that apps from the Apple Store, iOS Store, Android Store and Chrome Web Store submit: app specific telemetry. Many of these include signals that help understand battery life impact, so every major application platform (including the web) is doing this.

That stuff–stuff you agree to in the EULA as it stands– is absolutely essential to improving app experience to the standards of the market. The reason the mobile ecosystem has developed so fast (and that the web ecosystem can develop so fast) is a whole lot of telemetry on user usage patterns, habits, device failures, device selection, etc.

I'm not sure why it's so controversial. Even the Ubuntu store apps can administer telemetry.

If you'd like to complain about the pervasive surveillance state in your national scale, there are more fruitful avenues.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Edge platform team employee here. A couple thoughts on methodology, focusing on our scripted test (under "stay productive longer" at https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/06/20/more-... ), which is most comparable to Opera's test; nobody seems to challenge our Netflix results: * We did not enable ad blockers, because we were testing the efficiency of the network stack, browser rendering pipeline, etc.; if…

How did you control for the specific ads the browsers were served? Ads are highly dynamic. Unless you (can) include the differences in your methodology you better eliminate that influence.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Which is impressive I guess given that Firefox users often use extensions of varying quality?

I'm sure there are a lot of Firefox extensions of questionable quality but I would expect that at least the popular ones are of fairly decent quality. I also would assume that only a small minority of users know about and actually use extensions. Even people who do use extensions probably don't really use more than an adblocker.

Adblock Plus is very popular and very inefficient: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-vs.-ABP:-effic...

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Wow thanks for the moderation! I guess here in Hacker News we are all smart engineers and scientists that rely on the scientific method except for when it comes to microsoft when we all turn into drooling idol worshiping children.

I wonder whether MS has a well orchestrated campaign to have multiple employees troll hn, or whether they just go to the source and buy moderation points in bulk from ycombinator.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

#118

Edge platform team employee here. A couple thoughts on methodology, focusing on our scripted test (under "stay productive longer" at https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/06/20/more-... ), which is most comparable to Opera's test; nobody seems to challenge our Netflix results: * We did not enable ad blockers, because we were testing the efficiency of the network stack, browser rendering pipeline, etc.; if…

So where is your script? Or are we just supposed to trust you?

you don't have to do anything.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

#119

Microsoft didn't just do a battery test, they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life than Chrome, Firefox: "In addition to testing battery life internally, Microsoft also looks at tens of millions of PCs that send telemetry data to the firm, Weber said. And what it sees there is simple: A small advantage over Firefox, but massive gains of about 50 percent addit…

> they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life It's such a pity I don't use Microsoft Windows 10 , because I'd be so thrilled to know that through the magic of telemetry , everything I do on a Microsoft Windows 10 enabled computer could help Microsoft win some crucial PR battles.

I wonder if we can make a bot that posts a telemetry comment on every article with "Windows 10" in the title.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

#120

Microsoft didn't just do a battery test, they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life than Chrome, Firefox: "In addition to testing battery life internally, Microsoft also looks at tens of millions of PCs that send telemetry data to the firm, Weber said. And what it sees there is simple: A small advantage over Firefox, but massive gains of about 50 percent addit…

> they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life It's such a pity I don't use Microsoft Windows 10 , because I'd be so thrilled to know that through the magic of telemetry , everything I do on a Microsoft Windows 10 enabled computer could help Microsoft win some crucial PR battles.

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