Nope: it is Statephobia and States have no right to honor, just people eith individual bodies.
That seems like splitting hairs to me. Would you want people to reject your software just because of your nationality or that of your company? Probably not. So it seems to me that an implication of the golden rule is that we shouldn't do that.
On my nationality? No.
On the jurisdiction in which I, or the company employing me, operates? That can well be legitimate. You're discriminating against the laws (or unwritten government policies) in that jurisdiction, not against people.
Edge platform team employee here. A couple thoughts on methodology, focusing on our scripted test (under "stay productive longer" at https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/06/20/more-... ), which is most comparable to Opera's test; nobody seems to challenge our Netflix results: * We did not enable ad blockers, because we were testing the efficiency of the network stack, browser rendering pipeline, etc.; if…
Doesn't the Netflix test really test GPU decoding vs software decoding? I'm not 100% sure on this, so any clarification welcome, but I thought that Netflix content contracts DRM requirements allowed GPU decoding via Playready, but not on some others like Widevine. Would the Netflix test still show such an advantage for Edge if there weren't any DRM?
It seems to me that if you're running on the same device, the gpu should not be a variable.
Microsoft didn't just do a battery test, they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life than Chrome, Firefox: "In addition to testing battery life internally, Microsoft also looks at tens of millions of PCs that send telemetry data to the firm, Weber said. And what it sees there is simple: A small advantage over Firefox, but massive gains of about 50 percent addit…
> they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life It's such a pity I don't use Microsoft Windows 10 , because I'd be so thrilled to know that through the magic of telemetry , everything I do on a Microsoft Windows 10 enabled computer could help Microsoft win some crucial PR battles.
Don't worry, for your convenience, that Telemetry technology was backported to Windows 7 and Windows 8 as well.
There are some programs out there that can help block/disable it.[0]
Edge platform team employee here. A couple thoughts on methodology, focusing on our scripted test (under "stay productive longer" at https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/06/20/more-... ), which is most comparable to Opera's test; nobody seems to challenge our Netflix results: * We did not enable ad blockers, because we were testing the efficiency of the network stack, browser rendering pipeline, etc.; if…
Given that basically everyone should be blocking ads (if for no reason other than that they are a vector for malware), native ad blocking is really an energy saving mode, a user experience improvement, and a crucial security measure all rolled up into one feature.
If the focus of this test is meant to be on the user experience, as the tone of the Microsoft blog post seems to suggest, then said native ad blocker is a killer feature that really might mean Opera users can "stay productive longer".
If not, then sure, Edge's underlying implementation is probably faster. It would be interesting to see a comparable benchmark of Edge with the best available ad blocking turned on.
The developer stream is public, and so is the exact build they used[1]. [1] http://get.opera.com/pub/opera-developer/39.0.2248.0/
I wouldn't switch to an unstable browser just to improve battery life. It just shows that they're not really trying to get a fair test. I'm running ad blocker in Chrome and it works perfectly. I'd be interested if they could improve on that significantly, but I trust Google more in creating a stable software.
I think you are unaware how marketing works (the whole power saving competition from both Microsoft and Opera is just marketing).
Essentially they did some power saving improvements and want to create a bit of noise about it to increase their popularity.
It's kind of same as how Apple, Google etc announce new features/products before you even can use them.
> Reducing frame rate to 30 frames per second Many users may not like this.
probably depends what you're doing, right? e.g., if i'm just sitting here reading hacker news i can't tell the difference between 60 fps or 30 fps repainting, right?
Edge platform team employee here. A couple thoughts on methodology, focusing on our scripted test (under "stay productive longer" at https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/06/20/more-... ), which is most comparable to Opera's test; nobody seems to challenge our Netflix results: * We did not enable ad blockers, because we were testing the efficiency of the network stack, browser rendering pipeline, etc.; if…
How did you control for the specific ads the browsers were served? Ads are highly dynamic. Unless you (can) include the differences in your methodology you better eliminate that influence.
Ding, ding, ding and to be fair this is the problem in both methodologies. The only way to accurately perform this test is to spider a bunch of sites, save the contents to a locally hosted HTTPD and ensure all third-party JS calls are resolved locally and test both against the exact same sites as they were spidered at a point in time. You can simply not account for changes which may happen to the markup, ad network beacons, ads, metrics code, or even network routing, all of which could influence the test in one way or the other if not run from an identical static cache in a controlled environment. If I were doing this test I'd then skip the whole scripting automation part and simply add a meta-refresh to every page in the cache to sequentially take the browser through the content, giving each page something like 10 seconds to load and render. Simple, simple, and far more accurate.
Wow thanks for the moderation! I guess here in Hacker News we are all smart engineers and scientists that rely on the scientific method except for when it comes to microsoft when we all turn into drooling idol worshiping children. I wonder whether MS has a well orchestrated campaign to have multiple employees troll hn, or whether they just go to the source and buy moderation points in bulk from ycombinator.
It's not about the question, it's about the tone ;-)
How did you control for the specific ads the browsers were served? Ads are highly dynamic. Unless you (can) include the differences in your methodology you better eliminate that influence.
Ding, ding, ding and to be fair this is the problem in both methodologies. The only way to accurately perform this test is to spider a bunch of sites, save the contents to a locally hosted HTTPD and ensure all third-party JS calls are resolved locally and test both against the exact same sites as they were spidered at a point in time. You can simply not account for changes which may happen to the markup, ad network b…
You don't need to go to such complicated lengths. Just perform enough tests (as in, a statistically large enough amount) and a distribution will form. That also captures the variability of real world network effects.