Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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Post by wwweston » Wed, Jun 22, 2016, 3:46 PM UTC

_djo_ wrote: post #127

wwweston wrote: post #43

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The industry would do well to better absorb the underlying point here (seriously, people, if Emeralds on Trails was really that great of an abstraction, a decent QIQ programmer with Orchestra framework experience would probably be able to pick up the important bits in the time an Emerald dev would be learning the domain specific portions of the app). But unfortunately, there are still costs to switching platforms and…

Apple released a Linux port of Swift and its standard library when they open sourced it[0], indicating they are neither indifferent nor outright hostile to the language running on other platforms outside their ecosystem. [0]: https://swift.org/blog/swift-linux-port/

If a widely distributed open compiler for Objective C and GnuStep (and other related efforts) had resulted in thriving Cocoa cross-platform development, I might be heartened by Swift's port and standard library.

As it is, even after NeXT had started down a cross-platform development road, Apple made several decisions that were indifferent to it (and a few that were hostile). Why will Swift be different?

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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Post by angry-hacker » Wed, Jun 22, 2016, 4:07 PM UTC

s3r3nity wrote: post #2

It seems like a lot of folks don't give Tim Cook enough credit in the post-Steve Jobs world for a lot of the philanthropic work Apple has done for education (as well as for the LGBTQ community.) Kudos to them for this initiative - and I'll be excited if this expands to adults at some point.

And people say on HN advertising doesn't work :))

It's all to make you buy their products, my friend. No big company is doing philanthropy just for the sake of it.

Instead of paying taxes honestly (yrs, it's legal what they are doing, but not ethical), they bribe you with LGBT campaign. Bufff.

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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Post by shrugger » Wed, Jun 22, 2016, 6:15 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #146

shrugger wrote: post #108

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Yep, every fucking thread there's some "Oh wow, people have opinions that are different from mine" comment, and then a bunch of pseudo-meta discussion that just clogs up the site. HN is the worst possible implementation of HN.

You've repeatedly posted uncivil and unsubstantive comments to Hacker News. Please stop doing that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

You've repeatedly censored dozens of people and fostered an unwelcome space for people who are smarter than you and people with different opinions than yours. Please stop doing that.

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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Post by moogleii » Mon, Jun 27, 2016, 2:23 PM UTC

protomyth wrote: post #125

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That seems like a bit of a red herring. What does blocking the downloading of code have to do with offering coding camps? Regardless, I don't think the kids need to worry about that until they offer the Corporate Strategems Bootcamp. Until then, pretty sure if the kids want to create apps that download executable code, they can install them on their device directly with xcode.

> That seems like a bit of a red herring. What does blocking the downloading of code have to do with offering coding camps? How does a kid share? This type of thing is important. Everyone can see the athlete play, hear the singer singing, but how does a young coder get notices if no code can be shared? Ideally, one kid should be able to "flip / slide" his/her project onto another kids iPad with a option to put a link…

> How does a kid share? This type of thing is important. Everyone can see the athlete play, hear the singer singing, but how does a young coder get notices if no code can be shared?

For the very specific case of apps that download executable code off the network. So it's more like, athletes that play a specific sport, or a singer that sings very specific class of music.

> if no code can be shared

Now that's just either fud or a lie.