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Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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Microsoft already does one day events in their stores. My SO who's an elementary school teacher took her class to one of them.

I didn't know that. I found the link to the MS summer camps.

https://www.microsoft.com/about/philanthropies/youthspark/yo...

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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I am pretty surprised by the general lack luster comments bordering on negativity here. Personally, I think it is great to see a major retailer take even a misguided stab at improving child tech education which has quickly fallen behind demand (in America). Do I think the approach is more than a little bit wrong? Sure, GUI programming a non-useful task wouldn't be my choice. Would I prefer a more robust longer-term p…

Why do I get the feeling that they'll only teach swift (or maybe scratch in order to lead into swift)...

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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I don't see this as a PR stunt at all, this goes to one of Apple's core values. Apple's very good at marketing, if this were a PR stunt they would have large brand building ads and little substance, whereas this initiative requires a lot of resources, logistics and investments to run and are offering it for free. Since Tim took over Apple's been doing a lot more towards "We want to leave the world better than we foun…

Perhaps add privacy to that list as well. Hopefully.

Updated, thx. Yeah that's definitely one of their core values.

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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I am pretty surprised by the general lack luster comments bordering on negativity here. Personally, I think it is great to see a major retailer take even a misguided stab at improving child tech education which has quickly fallen behind demand (in America). Do I think the approach is more than a little bit wrong? Sure, GUI programming a non-useful task wouldn't be my choice. Would I prefer a more robust longer-term p…

Why do I get the feeling that they'll only teach swift (or maybe scratch in order to lead into swift)...

I'd expect them to only teach Swift, they're making Swift a great beginners language and are investing heavily in Swift Playgrounds and surrounding learning content resources.

Apple's other Obj-C/C/C++ languages are terrible for teaching kids how to program with.

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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For me, it has the feeling of being more of a PR stunt than a sincere effort to help education. Plus, its an opportunity to build brand allegiance at a young age. I would rather Apple donate an equal amount of money to any of those entities out there which help to bring technology to the youth.

I don't see this as a PR stunt at all, this goes to one of Apple's core values. Apple's very good at marketing, if this were a PR stunt they would have large brand building ads and little substance, whereas this initiative requires a lot of resources, logistics and investments to run and are offering it for free. Since Tim took over Apple's been doing a lot more towards "We want to leave the world better than we foun…

> Not because it's good for their bottom line, but because they think it's the right thing to do.

I agree with the op but want to take this one step further.

When you're apple's size, perhaps what's good IS good for your bottom line, in the long term.

Can you really grow a company when most people are too poor to afford your products? No, you really can't.

Will apple do better if there are many more people with disposable income enough to buy more apple products? I think so.

Maybe spending money on education and fixing the environment are necessary for them if they want to keep growing. I'm not saying this to be cynical - i'm saying this because if it's true, it doesn't actually matter whether this is a dollars and cents calculation.

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, it has the feeling of being more of a PR stunt than a sincere effort to help education. Plus, its an opportunity to build brand allegiance at a young age. I would rather Apple donate an equal amount of money to any of those entities out there which help to bring technology to the youth.

While your skepticism is easily justified and I share it, I would just point out that: > Plus, its an opportunity to build brand allegiance at a young age. If this leads to other vendors like Microsoft, Google, etc. launching their own coding camps geared towards youth I think it's a net win and results in competition in an area which is currently under served. I also think it's a little unrealistic to expect a corpo…

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella. “We can’t leave anyone out. We’re proud to make this $75 million investment in computer science education to create new opportunities for students across the spectrum of diverse youth and help build a tech talent pipeline that will spark new innovations for the future.”

http://news.microsoft.com/2015/09/16/microsoft-expands-globa...

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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Well, personally, I think the cookie-cutter "I'm surprised by the negativity here" comments at the top of every marginally controversial HN post are a bit surprising.

Yep, every fucking thread there's some "Oh wow, people have opinions that are different from mine" comment, and then a bunch of pseudo-meta discussion that just clogs up the site. HN is the worst possible implementation of HN.

Re: Apple launches coding camps for kids in its retail stores

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Another distressing characteristic of apple's tactics is that it increases social inequality. (Let's set aside those irrational SJWs that have arisen lately - there can be a rational approach to social justice). There are some pretty clear demographic divides in apple users vs everyone else. Apple could have donated to non-profits that especially serve under-privileged people, especially financially disadvantaged chi…

By that logic Apple's users could have purchased cheaper non-Apple products and donated the remaining money to non-profits. This entire line of moral reasonsing just doesn't work. Charitable causes do not trump the entirety of the rest of human endeavour and for-profit entities are not intrinsically amoral.

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Yes, given the level of competence of the staff at Apple stores, it seems unlikely there could be a worthwhile coding camp at that venue. Apple would need to bring in some much higher caliber people.

It'd be nice if they made an area available for random mall-goers who are also software engineers to come voluntarily hang out and instruct / help out random kids or teens that stop by, with potential for networking or further tutoring services for those really interested or who want to do something more interesting. Unfortunately I bet if a lot of us just camped out unofficially for a couple hours we'd be branded as…

Which is really unfortunate. Because most adults are really, really nice. But if they express any interest in helping kids they are assumed to have a nefarious motive.
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