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Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by adrusi »

makeset wrote: post #342
adrusi wrote: post #118

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I'm sure the parent would be upset if secretly served chicken, not because they would feel defrauded, but because they were tricked intol violating their ethical principles. Secretly serving non-vegetarians vegetarian food is, technically, fraud, but it's not disrespecting their morality. That fraud might be slightly immoral (I don't think it is, but it's a topic for debate), but it's easily offset by the potential f…

Hell, no. People may be eating what they choose to eat with just as much moral conviction as your vegetarianism. That is not for you to decide. You have no right to deceive others about what they are putting into their body, let alone in hopes of "convincing" or converting them. You have no right to physically force your own morality upon others without their informed consent. Think about what you have just argued fo…

You're making a lot of assumptions: I'm not a vegetarian, first of all. My point is simply that tricking someone into eating tofurkey is objectively more moral than tricking them into eating turkey, because both involve equal trickery, but it is incredibly improbable that anyone has moral objections to tofurkey (and in the specific case, this was a certainty). With a stranger it's more complicated because they might have a soy allergy or some compelling reason other than ethics to avoid the fake meat, but that's not relevant to the specific situation.

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Post by grogenaut »

adrianN wrote: post #386
icebraining wrote: post #381

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Are you just giving random examples or is regular Coke not vegan?

Regular coke is about as vegan as regular pickles.

Pretty terrible analogy. I have no idea if pickles are vegan or not. I would assume they are but I'm not steeped in the vegan ethos and many things have surprised me in the past as being non-vegan.

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Post by molloy »

ergothus wrote: post #26

I've been a vegetarian for the last decade and change, and I simultaneously think that finding a cheaper, appealing alternative to meat is both a fantastic opportunity for the world and a really difficult thing. I used to love meat when I was a meat-eater, and I'm a fairly picky eater that dislikes many vegetable options. (Green peppers are nasty and food-destroying in my opinion, which immediately removes over half…

Have you tried any Gardein products? They're by far my favorite frozen mock meats.

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Post by lyonlim »

Manishearth wrote: post #324
tamana wrote: post #279

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Where is ice cream marked as vegetarian? I have never seen a label. I also never saw gelatin as a listed ingredient in ice cream

Not all ice creams, some of them. When I say marked I mean in general if you ask the store; doesn't need to be actually marked (though some foods are marked this way, even if they contain gelatin)

I've had ice cream where they specifically included gelatine as one of the ingredients. Also, some gelatos contain gelatine as well.

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Post by lyonlim »

eru wrote: post #373
ergothus wrote: post #129

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Sure. Usually it boils down to whether fish/seafood is considered vegetarian, but sometimes it also includes broth or animal byproducts. For the purposes of definition, I use the below, which appears to be the general consensus definitions in America, though I'm sure some will dispute this. Vegetarian: (also called ovo-lacto vegetarian) No meat (including fish/seafood). Eggs, dairy, and honey are okay. Byproducts tha…

The monk training food is a good one. If you are traveling in southeast asia, and want vegan food, ask for buddhist food. (Alas, that also precludes garlic and onion, but that's a small sacrifice in exchange for having an easy shorthand to explain vegan food.)

Some do include egg and milk, so would not be suitable for vegans..

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Post by ashmud »

icebraining wrote: post #381
bdcs wrote: post #351

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On a related note: When I was vegan, I said I exclusively ate things made from plants. It was better received and understood. Also I would antagonize friends by giving them vegan pb&js, vegan pickles, vegan French fries, vegan Coke, etc.

Are you just giving random examples or is regular Coke not vegan?

Vegan french fries is the stand out here. Many commercially available ones are flavored and/or cooked with non-vegan ingredients.

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Post by hx87 »

sehutson wrote: post #261
michaelmior wrote: post #189

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> Green peppers are nasty and food-destroying in my opinion, which immediately removes over half the vegetarian options out there I'm a flexitarian, but I'm pretty veggie heavy and have been mostly vegetarian for significant periods of time. I very rarely come across foods with green peppers.

I never noticed it until I finally committed to going fully vegetarian (and thus, stopped considering the non-veg options as possibilities if the veg option was unappealing...making unappealing vegetarian options a lot more noticeable). It doesn't happen everywhere, but I know what he/she is talking about. In sandwich shops and some places with tacos and wraps, it's not uncommon to find just one dish that's properly…

> beans, potatoes, rice, even corn - those things are much more broadly appealing, filling

Far more bland and full of carbs, too, so they may be more polarizing than you think.

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Post by miranda_rights »

mixedCase wrote: post #322
MustardTiger wrote: post #302

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The number of people who need to be on a keto diet is incredibly tiny though. Most people who are on them do not need to be, all evidence shows low carb diets are equally effective regardless of ketosis or not.

>all evidence shows low carb diets are equally effective regardless of ketosis or not. Well I will take my anecdotic evidence (and my girlfriend's, and two friends') over your scientific studies. Fat and protein make me feel full well below my caloric needs for maintaining the same weight; I am hardly ever full with carbs, and even when my stomach feel fulls, my brain keeps wanting me to eat.

I think the person you're replying to is talking about the difference between maintaining a low-carb diet, and ketosis, which requires you to maintain a low-carb diet but specifically IIRC forces your body to break down fats instead of sugars in your body for energy.

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Post by miranda_rights »

mixedCase wrote: post #322
MustardTiger wrote: post #302

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The number of people who need to be on a keto diet is incredibly tiny though. Most people who are on them do not need to be, all evidence shows low carb diets are equally effective regardless of ketosis or not.

>all evidence shows low carb diets are equally effective regardless of ketosis or not. Well I will take my anecdotic evidence (and my girlfriend's, and two friends') over your scientific studies. Fat and protein make me feel full well below my caloric needs for maintaining the same weight; I am hardly ever full with carbs, and even when my stomach feel fulls, my brain keeps wanting me to eat.

I think the person you're replying to is talking about the difference between maintaining a low-carb diet, and ketosis, which requires you to maintain a low-carb diet but specifically IIRC forces your body to break down fats instead of sugars in your body for energy.

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Post by Sylos »

daveheq wrote: post #417

Isn't the point of being a vegetarian to avoid eating meat? Then why would you want to eat vegetables that look and act like meat? If you really prefer your food to look like meat, maybe you're not actually a vegetarian and your body is telling you to get some meat.

Because there's different motivations for being vegetarian. Some do it, because they simply find meat disgusting, in which case, yes, they probably don't want their food to look, taste or feel like meat.

But others do it for moral reasons, and to them, meat might be the tastiest food in the world, they just choose to abstain from it, because well, you know, animals have to die for it. So, if they can eat something which tastes like meat, but doesn't require animals to die for it, that's the best of both worlds to them.

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