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Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by icebraining »

bdcs wrote: post #351
kevb wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes plant-based is used as a more socially acceptable word for "vegan". I think there's also a difference between titling a product "vegan" and specifying that it is vegan. "Vegan donuts" isn't as appealing to non-vegans as "Donuts (vegan)". Likewise I'd be discouraged to get something labeled "Gluten free cookies", but if I saw "Oatmeal chocolate chip cookies (gluten-free)" I wouldn't hold it against them.

On a related note: When I was vegan, I said I exclusively ate things made from plants. It was better received and understood. Also I would antagonize friends by giving them vegan pb&js, vegan pickles, vegan French fries, vegan Coke, etc.

Are you just giving random examples or is regular Coke not vegan?

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by danans »

wavefunction wrote: post #35
ergothus wrote: post #26

I've been a vegetarian for the last decade and change, and I simultaneously think that finding a cheaper, appealing alternative to meat is both a fantastic opportunity for the world and a really difficult thing. I used to love meat when I was a meat-eater, and I'm a fairly picky eater that dislikes many vegetable options. (Green peppers are nasty and food-destroying in my opinion, which immediately removes over half…

When I visit India and eat vegetarian food properly prepared by a culture that has refined vegetarian cuisine beyond "fake meat", I don't miss meat at all. Much of Western food is only expected to be an accompaniment to a meat dish, which is why you can't just cut meat out and eat the vegetable dishes you're used to when you're eating meat as well, imnsho.

Interestingly, a recent survey shows that despite having that highly refined vegetarian cuisine, Indians (especially South Indians) are nowhere near as vegetarian as is usually assumed:

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/This-Survey-Found-Out-How-Many-In...

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by homero »

ergothus wrote: post #61
homero wrote: post #50

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There's a good fungus based chicken nugget, do you know this one?

I'm assuming you mean Quorn, which is a mycoprotein (the history of that company is fascinating!). Those are the nuggets I mentioned that are quite similar to "real".

Yeah they're delicious. All the other pea products are disgusting.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by puranjay »

ergothus wrote: post #26

I've been a vegetarian for the last decade and change, and I simultaneously think that finding a cheaper, appealing alternative to meat is both a fantastic opportunity for the world and a really difficult thing. I used to love meat when I was a meat-eater, and I'm a fairly picky eater that dislikes many vegetable options. (Green peppers are nasty and food-destroying in my opinion, which immediately removes over half…

I really think food like this could have a massive market in India

I'm Indian and lots of my friends are hesitant to eat meat for religious and/or animal rights reasons.

We also don't have the stigma attached to vegetarianism as it is in America. There is no "masculinity = meat" culture here.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by saynsedit »

bsder wrote: post #172
saynsedit wrote: post #58

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What does being "vegan on principle" mean here? What specific principles are you talking about? Some vegans do it because killing animals is morally bankrupt. Some vegans do it because raising livestock is unsustainable. There is not enough land on earth for everyone to have a meat diet. Some vegans do it because it's healthier. In general you can expect to ingest less toxins by eating lower on the food chain. I'm no…

> Some vegans do it because raising livestock is unsustainable. There is not enough land on earth for everyone to have a meat diet. I'm dubious about this statement. There is a lot of ocean, so seafood farming is probably quite capable of feeding humans meat. In addition, western societies currently overconsume meat. I suspect that if calorically balanced levels of consumption were observed, we probably have plenty o…

Not all people subscribe to the conventional wisdom that carbs and oils are unconditionally unhealthy.

Oils can help your body absorb nutrients more effectively and also aid in other cellular processes.

Carbs are energy and your body needs this.

The key is to not consume processed carbs/oils that your body can't integrate.

Carbs from fruits and natural oils (like coconut) are a large component of any thoughtful vegan's diet. You can eat lots of these foods because they not only have carbs but they also have fiber, protein and other vitamins in good proportion, so "carb the f* up!"

Obsessively starving your body of all carbs and eating lots of meat is an extreme and unbalanced diet and will certainly lead to an early death. Just eat whole foods.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by adrianN »

icebraining wrote: post #381
bdcs wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a related note: When I was vegan, I said I exclusively ate things made from plants. It was better received and understood. Also I would antagonize friends by giving them vegan pb&js, vegan pickles, vegan French fries, vegan Coke, etc.

Are you just giving random examples or is regular Coke not vegan?

Regular coke is about as vegan as regular pickles.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by dkersten »

Jaruzel wrote: post #353
rocho wrote: post #345

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Yeah right, "in the field". Nowadays you can do old-style animal farming if you have three cows and want to sustain you own family. Otherwise, if you want to sell it, it's just not cost effective. - http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/belly-beast-meat-factory... - https://www.chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/9031-Ch...

Counter argument for that with regard to the UK: http://assurance.redtractor.org.uk/ Most quality beef sold in UK is governed by the Red Tractor food standards and welfare scheme.

Its similar in Ireland. The cows here are all grass fed (I grew up in the country, lots of farming friends) and the health standards don't allow the "pumping full of antibiotics" that we keep hearing about.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by sundarurfriend »

puranjay wrote: post #384
ergothus wrote: post #26

I've been a vegetarian for the last decade and change, and I simultaneously think that finding a cheaper, appealing alternative to meat is both a fantastic opportunity for the world and a really difficult thing. I used to love meat when I was a meat-eater, and I'm a fairly picky eater that dislikes many vegetable options. (Green peppers are nasty and food-destroying in my opinion, which immediately removes over half…

I really think food like this could have a massive market in India I'm Indian and lots of my friends are hesitant to eat meat for religious and/or animal rights reasons. We also don't have the stigma attached to vegetarianism as it is in America. There is no "masculinity = meat" culture here.

Just as a n=1 anecdote, I'm (mostly) vegetarian, and this wouldn't really appeal to me. I might try it out of curiosity (just like I tried chicken and fish), but it isn't something my brain has learnt to crave, and in fact will probably trigger the same kind of mild nausea that non-vegetarian food currently does in me.

I am curious to see how it works out in practice though.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by sundarurfriend »

chris_7 wrote: post #72
ergothus wrote: post #26

I've been a vegetarian for the last decade and change, and I simultaneously think that finding a cheaper, appealing alternative to meat is both a fantastic opportunity for the world and a really difficult thing. I used to love meat when I was a meat-eater, and I'm a fairly picky eater that dislikes many vegetable options. (Green peppers are nasty and food-destroying in my opinion, which immediately removes over half…

As a pescetarian, I find meat alternatives weird. Tofu is good. Seitan is good. Eggs are good, etc. etc. etc. I've never wanted a "something that approximates meat", I want good plant-based food, not a processed frozen puck in a box. Similarly, I eat fish, but I'd never want to eat a "fish stick" - ick. That's where I categorize these meat alternatives.

> but I'd never want to eat a "fish stick" - ick.

Are you not a gay fish, then?

(sorry!)

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by croon »

radec wrote: post #346
bradbeattie wrote: post #68

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I'm in the same camp as you. Vegetarian since 1989, vegan since 1999. I can certainly say that the quality of fake meats has drastically improved in the past 10 years (see https://gardein.com/ , http://fieldroast.com/ , and http://beyondmeat.com/ as examples), but the stigma surrounding them persists. Short anecdote: There's a donut shop in my town that sold vegan and regular donuts in adjacent but separate displays.…

agree with what your saying and these burgers would probably sell fine if they didn't get labeled as vegan. but yeah there must be a specific market that does want this, because we've been seeing fake meats for years. personally I'm in a different camp. I've been vegan for a while now. I pretty much never buy fake meat or fake cheese. I don't really understand it. I just eat food I make from the bulk section of the g…

Carnivore here.

I like vegetarianism in concept, and would like to eat less meat, but I like meat, A LOT. If alternatives were more meatlike (fingers crossed for indistinguishable) I'd gladly eat that regardless of label. Some reservations about macro contents.

I understand where you're coming from, but some people don't want to change a habit, but are fine with substitutes.

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