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How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Post by cinquemb »

Myrmornis wrote: post #40
pests wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not believe the sentence "No more black people, and no more gunfire." indicated removing certain types of people was a solution. Just that a company invested money in an area and now there is less blacks and less gun fire. That can be a pure statement of fact.

I didn't say it did mean that. I said it "would usually be considered unacceptable in mainstream American discourse", which I am sure you agree with.

HN silences people/comments with show dead, I set show_dead=true and observe them because I am human and not without bias and I strive to be open to opinion or vocal/internet (perceived) conflict.

But when you are trying to maintain an image for certain reasons, it's easy to sweep things under the rug… but that only last for so long for there is only so much rug… and considering most mainstream general discourse is more vapid banal bullshit it's not surprising to see how that might effect most viewers/admins apart of crafting such when they make the decisions they do.

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Post by aminok »

antisthenes wrote: post #14
subzidion wrote: post #3

Here's a TL;DR > "the Cincinnati Center City Development Corp.—better known as 3CDC—has invested or leveraged more than half a billion dollars into Over-the-Rhine, buying and rescuing 131 historic buildings and building 48 new ones, while maintaining subsidized housing, rehabilitating parks and driving out criminals with cameras, better lighting, liquor store closings and the development of vacant lots"

Here's a TL;DR for your TL;DR. Real estate development corp invests $500 million into gentrifying an area.

You know how far gone social justice is as an ideology when "gentrification" has become a bad word.

Gentrification means more safe high quality neighbourhoods for people to live in. The local effect might be to price some low income people out of their community but the systemic effect is to increase the supply and therefore reduce the cost of better quality housing.

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Post by WillPostForFood »

Animats wrote: post #21

"In the process, it has earned the ire of longtime residents and homeless advocates, who say their desires, suggestions and dreams for the neighborhood—until recently 80 percent African-American—are seldom consulted and rarely implemented." Yup. "Urban renewal means Negro removal", as James Baldwin once said. Silicon Valley did this in Whiskey Gulch, the small piece of East Palo Alto that's west of 101. East Palo Alt…

For context - Whiskey Gulch was just a small piece of East Palo Alto. East Palo Alto's black population has been displaced, but more so by Latino immigrants than the Four Seasons.

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Post by jmathai »

llamataboot wrote: post #6

I grew up in Cincinnati and grew up with current staff members of both 3CDC and other active development groups in OtR. They have had good goals, overall, with active talk about in-fill development that at least gives lip service to gentrification concerns. However, they have also had decidedly non-diverse staffs, have held lots of non-public meetings even when the public was clamoring for meetings, and arguably just…

I grew up in Cincinnati until my late 20s and before Over the Rhine was gentrified.

My experience in OTR was volunteering every weekend at Washington Park. I would talk to the folks who frequented the park; many homeless. They had stories and weren't much different from myself. Except I had a bigger safety net, wasn't as unlucky and made different bad decisions.

I remember how attendees of City Hall would walk past the homeless on their walk into the opera. It was sad. That's where I remember it all starting though. The "no loitering" laws and "no sleeping in the park" laws.

OTR is better for middle class and above people. But those people who used to be in OTR didn't disappear. They're somewhere and I hope they found another place to hang out.

Spike Lee's response to someone on the Gentrification in NYC is a great listen.

https://soundcloud.com/daily-intelligencer/spike-lee-on-gent...

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Post by [deleted] »

jjawssd wrote: post #35
nerdponx wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just playing devils advocate here: do you think the solution would have been different if it had been white people shooting each other?

Nope, Shivetya hit the nail on the head. It's more about economic and political capital. Lacking areas are more violent.

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Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Post by dang »

Myrmornis wrote: post #37
dang wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Animats' comment was provocative but within the range of substantive conversation. It contained specific information and wasn't purely ideological. This comment, on the other hand, is just trolling. You can't comment like that here, and since this is a throwaway account, I'm banning it. Please don't make throwaway accounts to break the site rules with. We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?i…

Are you sure? Isn't notawacist critiquing the notion that the way to reduce particular types of crime is to eliminate from the local population a subset of society whose label is correlated with that crime? In fact it is animats whose post contained words that would usually be considered unacceptable in mainstream American discourse: > No more black people, and no more gunfire. notawacist goes on to point out that th…

Of course I'm not sure; certainty isn't possible with so little information.

The information I do have suggests that Animats was most likely commenting in good faith and that you are most likely trolling. Please don't do that here.

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Post by dionidium »

mywittyname wrote: post #12
ececconi wrote: post #4

Never knew Over the Rhine used to be the nation's most dangerous neighborhood. I'm on a consulting assignment here in Cinci and I go there all the time for trendy food and bars. Yes it does have pockets where I'm a bit scared to walk at night, but not enough so that I don't.

If you were here even as recently as 2010, you'd have been scared to drive in OTR in broad daylight. This isn't an exaggeration at all. Attempted car jackings were pretty common.

That's an exaggeration. These "most dangerous" designations are pretty meaningless, anyway. Neighborhoods can be dangerous for many reasons, in many different ways, and for different people, at different times of day, dependent on context.

All but the most careful comparisons are suspect.

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Post by ececconi »

dionidium wrote: post #48
mywittyname wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were here even as recently as 2010, you'd have been scared to drive in OTR in broad daylight. This isn't an exaggeration at all. Attempted car jackings were pretty common.

That's an exaggeration. These "most dangerous" designations are pretty meaningless, anyway. Neighborhoods can be dangerous for many reasons, in many different ways, and for different people, at different times of day, dependent on context. All but the most careful comparisons are suspect.

You can say the same thing about almost any other kind of comparison that's not strictly numeric. Fact of the matter is, people make comparisons and they're valid for many reasons.
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