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Re: Trump

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Post by jasonlaramburu » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:40 AM UTC

giaour wrote: post #283

ethanhunt_ wrote: post #20

Disappointed to see Sam repeat things that are plainly false. Everyone says that Trump says such horrible things, but why is it that so often those same people have to misquote him to make it seem horrible? > He has said that a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t treat him fairly because of his heritage and that we should ban Muslims from entering the country. He said that a judge of Mexican descent isn't treating him…

I've yet to see anyone demonstrate actual bias in the Trump University trial. Trump exploited his position as the presumptive Republican nominee to pick a fight with the judge presiding over a civil dispute to which Trump-the-businessman (and not Trump-the-politician) was a party. He then decided of his own volition to bring up the judge's ethnicity at a political rally and on national TV. This, mind you, was before…

I've yet to see anyone (Trump supporter or otherwise) defend Trump University as a legitimate institution. Even Trump himself doesn't comment on it. He merely tries to discredit the judge presiding over the case and the plaintiffs.

Re: Trump

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Post by jasonlaramburu » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:47 AM UTC

spoiledtechie wrote: post #286

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People compare Trump to Hitler because they both employed racism as a campaign tactic. Read a book of German history in the 1930's. Hitler rose to power on the (false) claim that Jews had an unfair advantage in post-war German society, and should be eliminated. Trump claims that Mexicans have an unfair advantage in American society and should be deported. What else is there to understand?

Oh Boy. I think you need to read some of Trumps speaches instead of listening to the vast array of media. Trump claims the Mexicans came here illegally. Therefore they should be deported. That has nothing to do with an unfair advantage. Stop following the light so blindly. Its disgusting.

I have listened to his "speaches" [sic]. He claims Illegal immigrants cheat the system by working for below-minimum wage. Thus they have an unfair advantage in American society. Also, like Hitler, he provides virtually no data to back up any of his claims. Does Trump propose sending Mexicans to the gas chambers? No, but Hitler never publicly proposed that either. He just hired "really great people" to do it for him. Trump is talking about mass relocation and forced deportation of millions of people and their families. for many people, that is close to a death sentence.

Re: Trump

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Post by tomp » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:49 AM UTC

kmiroslav wrote: post #5

The only things Trump is right about are the exact same things that every politician says: > He's right that many Americans are getting screwed by the system. He’s right that the economy is not growing nearly fast enough. He's right that we're drowning in political correctness, and that broken campaign finance laws have bred a class of ineffective career politicians. It's demagoguery 101.

If Hillary ever said anything similar to any of that, she would attract many Sanders (possibly even Trump) voters.

Re: Trump

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Post by tomp » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:53 AM UTC

kbenson wrote: post #150

athinggoingon wrote: post #115

> Trump's casual racism, misogyny, and conspiracy theories are without precedent among major presidential nominees. He has said that a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t treat him fairly because of his heritage Judge Gonzalo Curiel, the judge presiding over the Trump university case, is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association. La Raza is a group that advocates for a path to citizenship for all illegal im…

> > He has said that a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t treat him fairly because of his heritage > La Raza is a group that advocates for a path to citizenship for all illegal immigrants. What does that have to do with his heritage. There are people that believe that without Mexican descent. I believe it, and I'm not Mexican, and am not an immigrant, and neither are my parents. There are people of Mexican descent tha…

> Reducing people's behavior to something fueled by ethnicity is racism.

So when people say "white people are often racist", that's racism? (I actually agree, minorities are often very racist like that!)

> Freedom of religion is a constitutionally protected right.

Most rights are suspended at the border anyways.

Re: Trump

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Post by tomp » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 8:01 AM UTC

argonaut wrote: post #257

ethanhunt_ wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those quotes prove my point. Trump did not say he can't do his job because of his heritage. He said he isn't doing his job, and that he thinks it's because of his heritage. And there's nothing racist about that conclusion. People do act based on their identity and heritage, and there's nothing wrong with that. If it affects their rulings as a judge, then that's problem, and all Trump has said is that he's not getting…

Look, I get that Trump is saying "Unfair rulings, caused by being Mexican." But this is no different from "He is Mexican, which causes unfair rulings." It's logically equivalent. If you said "She is dumb because she's a girl," you would be (rightfully) pilloried for being sexist. No reasonable person is going to interpret that statement like you are interpreting Trump's comments.

Black people keep complaining all the time how whites are biased against the blacks. Are they (blacks) racist for pointing out something that might actually be true?!

Re: Trump

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Post by tomp » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 8:11 AM UTC

smacktoward wrote: post #87

kirinan wrote: post #25

While I think Trump is a bad choice, I think comparing him to Hitler is overzealous and irresponsible. There are no doubt similarities between the two but Hitler wrote an entire book about the "Jewish Peril" and how it was destroying society and needed to be dealt with. It was clear that Hitler had an agenda that was anti-semetic, and the charisma/ability to execute on it. Trump is a racist and a bigot, but he is far…

Among the very few specific policy proposals Trump has put forward, these are the most prominent: * Building a giant wall along the U.S.'s southern border to keep Mexicans out * Rounding up and deporting Hispanics currently in the U.S. on a mass scale never before seen in history I mean, yes, he's not proposing herding Hispanics into gas chambers, but he absolutely is talking about making American policy tilt harder…

He wants to enforce the law. Hardly the worst thing a politician could say (in fact, saying he wouldn't enforce the law would be much worse, IMO).

Also, your first point isn't entirely correct; there already is a wall; Trump just wants to extend it (again, to enforce the law).

Re: Trump

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Post by tomp » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 8:20 AM UTC

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #277

spoiledtechie wrote: post #95

Oh how I am disparaged by Sam Altmans words. Not because they are wrong, but because they seem naive. Trump is right about the problem. His solutions are a more verbose than most. I am reminded of a quote "We must not paint with pale pastels, but with bold colors" Trump is using bold colors to address change. Mexican Judge - When has it not been heard that many white judges have shown prejudice against a black person…

"Its not a long shot to say another race can practice prejudice against a white man, when white men and white judges have been doing it for so long." You said it yourself: white men haven't been systematically discriminated against in the US for centuries, but People of Color have been. It's not about practicing prejudice. It's about leveling the playing field so that every American has equal opportunity, regardless…

WTF? Did you just imply it's fine to discriminate against whites? Please tell me how I can interpret your comment as not absolutely racist..

Re: Trump

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Post by tomp » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 8:22 AM UTC

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #298

spoiledtechie wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh Boy. I think you need to read some of Trumps speaches instead of listening to the vast array of media. Trump claims the Mexicans came here illegally. Therefore they should be deported. That has nothing to do with an unfair advantage. Stop following the light so blindly. Its disgusting.

Hitler also claimed the Jews were in Germany illegally.

Trump's claims are actually true.

Re: Trump

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Post by tomp » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 8:23 AM UTC

spoiledtechie wrote: post #287

heurist wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Illegal immigration from Mexico is around net zero. Why should we focus on illegal immigrants when there are so many major issues to solve?

Simply not true. There are over 20 million illegal immigrants here now. That is NOT a net zero event. If the entire USA has a population of 320 million, then that is a net event of 16% population increase.

Your math is wrong.

Re: Trump

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Post by jameslee56 » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 9:02 AM UTC

giaour wrote: post #280

throwanem wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone would be shocked to hear an assertion that a white judge had mistreated someone who wasn't white on the basis of the latter's race. There might (or might not) be public debate over whether the assertion was true, but no one would be appalled merely at the claim's having been made. (Indeed, such claims are made daily and have been for many years, yet rarely seem to be regarded as less newsworthy f…

Trump decided to use his position as the presumptive presidential nominee of a major political party to interfere in in a civil suit related to his personal business interests. That alone makes me wonder if he would abuse the power of his office should we win the election. That he did so by invoking the judge's race made him look desperate and unable to control his own temper. I'm sure you're right that defendants in…

That is still peanuts compare to the other and only female presidential candidate. Just google how bad she abused her power all the way back in decades. Using that as benchmark, Trump looks damn honest and worthy of POTUS and MAGA. He has my vote (together with almost few hundreds of my family and friends votes in Nov). It is always the choice of lesser of 2 evils and economy. Trump proved with his billions that he can do it when it comes to money. Though I don't know how evil he is, I do know the other candidate is on par with Dick if not greater. Don't get misdirected by the media and headlines. Do your own research and see the facts unedited for yourself to form your own opinion.