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“PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by herghost »

This is the reason I stopped using Paypal.

The want to position themselves as a financial services provider equivalent to traditional banks, except that they reserve the right arbitrarily - and without recourse - remove their services.

As a customer this means you can be cut out from your ability to use "currency". As a business this means you're beholden to arbitrary decisions that you can't really risk assess against - and if you've built your business on this service it could be devastating.

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by jeena »

So, suprise suprise, my 6 years old blogpost continues to be spot on https://jeena.net/paypal that is when I deleted my PayPal account. But it was not all dance on roses after that, suprisingly many only offer PayPal as a way to pay them, so I always have to try to contact them and to try to explain and to ask for another way to pay. Most of the time they won't/can't help me.

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by raverbashing »

Paypal only exists because the current infrastructure of payments in the US is a joke

Nobody needs paypal in Europe. Of course, they try to sell themselves as "the easiest way" (which is right to a point) but it's mostly unneeded

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by ladybro »

raverbashing wrote: post #24

Paypal only exists because the current infrastructure of payments in the US is a joke Nobody needs paypal in Europe. Of course, they try to sell themselves as "the easiest way" (which is right to a point) but it's mostly unneeded

What are the alternatives in Europe that make Paypal not needed? Genuinely curious, not saying you're wrong by any means.

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by lovelearning »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #11

File sharing services are listed as requiring pre-approval, so Seafile should've sent them an email before accepting it as payment: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full They're well within their rights to decline your business. If a bank told the government, "We have no absolutely no idea what our customers are doing with their money or who they're sending it to. Maybe they're sending it to ter…

Did Seafile never request for this approval?

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by SyneRyder »

pavanky wrote: post #15
MichaelBurge wrote: post #11

File sharing services are listed as requiring pre-approval, so Seafile should've sent them an email before accepting it as payment: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full They're well within their rights to decline your business. If a bank told the government, "We have no absolutely no idea what our customers are doing with their money or who they're sending it to. Maybe they're sending it to ter…

That argument makes no sense.. Presumably Seafile has other payment options that are not asking for the same level of access. I can't remember the last time people mentioned terrorists (or other criminals') bank accounts in the news other than HSBC who intentionally laundered drug money.

> Presumably Seafile has other payment options that are not asking for the same level of access.

They don't. If you look at the website now, they are offering their services for free temporarily, because they don't have any payment providers anymore. It seems Paypal was their only method of payment.

https://shop.seafile.com/product/seafile-cloud-account-subsc...

> I can't remember the last time people mentioned terrorists (or other criminals') bank accounts in the news

You might just need to look deeper. There was a Planet Money episode about how the IRS & DEA created an entire fake bank just to catch people laundering drug money:

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/03/09/469674457/episo...

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by nraynaud »

ladybro wrote: post #25
raverbashing wrote: post #24

Paypal only exists because the current infrastructure of payments in the US is a joke Nobody needs paypal in Europe. Of course, they try to sell themselves as "the easiest way" (which is right to a point) but it's mostly unneeded

What are the alternatives in Europe that make Paypal not needed? Genuinely curious, not saying you're wrong by any means.

any bank that accepts visa/mastercard ?

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by beobab »

ladybro wrote: post #25
raverbashing wrote: post #24

Paypal only exists because the current infrastructure of payments in the US is a joke Nobody needs paypal in Europe. Of course, they try to sell themselves as "the easiest way" (which is right to a point) but it's mostly unneeded

What are the alternatives in Europe that make Paypal not needed? Genuinely curious, not saying you're wrong by any means.

Barclays and Natwest in the UK will allow you to send money to anyone with an email address. Can't speak for other banks, though.

But all banks will transfer money if you have a recipient account number and sort code.

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