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“PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by MichaelBurge »

File sharing services are listed as requiring pre-approval, so Seafile should've sent them an email before accepting it as payment:

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full

They're well within their rights to decline your business. If a bank told the government, "We have no absolutely no idea what our customers are doing with their money or who they're sending it to. Maybe they're sending it to terrorists or drug lords, maybe they're not; it's none of our business and we respect their privacy", they'd get shut down in a heartbeat.

I can understand if Paypal doesn't want to appear on the front page of the news for funding an underground child porn ring that signed up as one of your "enterprise clients".

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by Cyph0n »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #11

File sharing services are listed as requiring pre-approval, so Seafile should've sent them an email before accepting it as payment: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full They're well within their rights to decline your business. If a bank told the government, "We have no absolutely no idea what our customers are doing with their money or who they're sending it to. Maybe they're sending it to ter…

Maybe their response in this specific case is warranted, but there are thousands of other smaller cases where PayPal simply does what it wants even if it's completely unfair and illogical.

PayPal is a shitty company, with a borderline monopoly on online payments until very recently.

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by rmc »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #11

File sharing services are listed as requiring pre-approval, so Seafile should've sent them an email before accepting it as payment: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full They're well within their rights to decline your business. If a bank told the government, "We have no absolutely no idea what our customers are doing with their money or who they're sending it to. Maybe they're sending it to ter…

And if a EU company were to break the law and send personal data outside the EU, they'd be shut down in a heartbeat too.

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by pavanky »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #11

File sharing services are listed as requiring pre-approval, so Seafile should've sent them an email before accepting it as payment: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full They're well within their rights to decline your business. If a bank told the government, "We have no absolutely no idea what our customers are doing with their money or who they're sending it to. Maybe they're sending it to ter…

That argument makes no sense.. Presumably Seafile has other payment options that are not asking for the same level of access. I can't remember the last time people mentioned terrorists (or other criminals') bank accounts in the news other than HSBC who intentionally laundered drug money.

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by rmc »

RachelF wrote: post #5
howfun wrote: post #4

Apparently the other filesharing companies spy on user data,that is why they are on Paypal.

I wonder. It is a bit worrying that DropBox accepts PayPal.

Dropbox is a US based company, is not bound by EU data protection law, the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU (basically the EU's Bill of Rights), and additionally the US Constitutional ban on warrentless searches does not apply to EU citizens in EU.

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by chipperyman573 »

draugadrotten wrote: post #9
RachelF wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder. It is a bit worrying that DropBox accepts PayPal.

Dropbox has been known to search users' data for files matching md5 sums someone claims they own, such as movies or known illegal photos. http://www.extremetech.com/computing/179495-how-dropbox-know...

Yeah, but checking a md5 on a "list of pirated movies" database is a lot different than sending data about file uploads to a random company with no promise of what they will do with it.

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by malinens »

draugadrotten wrote: post #9
RachelF wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder. It is a bit worrying that DropBox accepts PayPal.

Dropbox has been known to search users' data for files matching md5 sums someone claims they own, such as movies or known illegal photos. http://www.extremetech.com/computing/179495-how-dropbox-know...

There should be a feature in torrent clients which add some random bytes to videos when downloading them without braking the video itself so md5 checks would be useless for illegal content downloads

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

#20

Post by aminok »

Cyph0n wrote: post #13
MichaelBurge wrote: post #11

File sharing services are listed as requiring pre-approval, so Seafile should've sent them an email before accepting it as payment: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full They're well within their rights to decline your business. If a bank told the government, "We have no absolutely no idea what our customers are doing with their money or who they're sending it to. Maybe they're sending it to ter…

Maybe their response in this specific case is warranted, but there are thousands of other smaller cases where PayPal simply does what it wants even if it's completely unfair and illogical. PayPal is a shitty company, with a borderline monopoly on online payments until very recently.

PayPal is made shitty by the laws relating to the financial system. If it doesn't act shitty, it stands to get fined for hundreds of millions, or even billions of dollars.
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