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F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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Problem currently (Iraq and Syria) is the Air Force is being only able to run limited sorties against a large number of small targets like pickup trucks with 20mm cannons on the back.

The way to hit an unsophisticated target like that is come at them out of the sun. They won't see or hear you coming.

F-35 has 180-220 rounds, that's it.

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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So what. It's not as if the US government is fighting anyone with any real air capability. You could use Vietnam aircraft and still win against the threat.

Right, but the better planes are needed for deterrent.

That's what the F22 is for, no?

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

#23
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So what. It's not as if the US government is fighting anyone with any real air capability. You could use Vietnam aircraft and still win against the threat.

Because nations tend to avoid starting wars they'll obviously lose. If the US military falls behind technologically, other nations might start thinking defeat isn't so obvious any more.

When was the last time the US won a war against a threat that had comparable capabilities?

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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Right, but the better planes are needed for deterrent.

If the money was used instead in financial vehicles for the adversarial countries in question, the created economic codependence would very likely be more effective than this plane

Or on better education... In both sides of the conflicts...

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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Because nations tend to avoid starting wars they'll obviously lose. If the US military falls behind technologically, other nations might start thinking defeat isn't so obvious any more.

South America isn't invading you any time soon and every other mob has a whopping great pile of water to cross and not much in the way of an active carrier fleet to support it, or they're already your allies. The only one that falls into your threat category is Russia. Is Russia really about to invade the US at the first sign of air supremacy weakness? You still have enough nukes to cause literal worldwide armageddon…

A lot easier to set up no fly zones (World Police) when your planes are a lot better than the competition.

Why even leave a shadow of a doubt that the enemy could win in a dogfight?

I think that's the rationale presented here

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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The Danish government have the same issue. The plan is to buy 27 F-35s, but that's not really enough for anything. They are suppose to replace 60 F-16s. Even if the F-35 is as good as it's claimed, and the Russians are coming, I think you'd be better of with twice the number of some less advanced planes.

Missiles and drones are a lot cheaper than piloted planes, and easier to replace.

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Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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The Danish government have the same issue. The plan is to buy 27 F-35s, but that's not really enough for anything. They are suppose to replace 60 F-16s. Even if the F-35 is as good as it's claimed, and the Russians are coming, I think you'd be better of with twice the number of some less advanced planes.

At this point it's fair to say that anyone waiting on F-35 would have been better served by just ordering more Warthogs.

Not it you need to replace F-16s and you're only able to afford to operate one type of fighter plane.

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

#28
post #18

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Because nations tend to avoid starting wars they'll obviously lose. If the US military falls behind technologically, other nations might start thinking defeat isn't so obvious any more.

South America isn't invading you any time soon and every other mob has a whopping great pile of water to cross and not much in the way of an active carrier fleet to support it, or they're already your allies. The only one that falls into your threat category is Russia. Is Russia really about to invade the US at the first sign of air supremacy weakness? You still have enough nukes to cause literal worldwide armageddon…

It's not about invading the US. It is about challenging their regional dominance. If the US isn't willing or able to commit to defending Japan, Taiwan or Philippines, then Mainland China will be happy to recreate a Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere under CCP leadership and to claim the Pacific and Indian Ocean for itself.

While that wouldn't hurt the average American in the short run, the long-term consequences of it in geopolitical terms would be extreme.

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

#29
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because nations tend to avoid starting wars they'll obviously lose. If the US military falls behind technologically, other nations might start thinking defeat isn't so obvious any more.

South America isn't invading you any time soon and every other mob has a whopping great pile of water to cross and not much in the way of an active carrier fleet to support it, or they're already your allies. The only one that falls into your threat category is Russia. Is Russia really about to invade the US at the first sign of air supremacy weakness? You still have enough nukes to cause literal worldwide armageddon…

I agree with you completely, but the US gets a lot of economic muscle from it's force projection. That's one of the hilarious things about Trump's isolationism - if the US pulls back it's military envelope, it'll stop getting all those sweetheart trade deals from other countries. The US itself is safe, but it needs effective force projection.

The US might be tired of playing 'world cop', but it's a role it chose itself, and it's been getting plenty of tasty kickbacks for doing so. I don't have a problem with that - nations have a right to think of themselves first in any deal - but it's still funny that so many people ignore that US military projection heavily protects it's economic muscle.

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

#30
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because nations tend to avoid starting wars they'll obviously lose. If the US military falls behind technologically, other nations might start thinking defeat isn't so obvious any more.

South America isn't invading you any time soon and every other mob has a whopping great pile of water to cross and not much in the way of an active carrier fleet to support it, or they're already your allies. The only one that falls into your threat category is Russia. Is Russia really about to invade the US at the first sign of air supremacy weakness? You still have enough nukes to cause literal worldwide armageddon…

The problem is, starting military development when a credible threat emerges is far too late. This stuff takes years in the pipeline. If you want it to be ready when you need it, you need to be working on it when you don't need it. (And run the risk of never needing it, and discovered that you wasted years and years of development.)
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