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Re: Trump

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Post by aerovistae »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #251
aerovistae wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree. The comparison is between Trump and what Hitler seemed to be before he revealed himself in full as what he truly was. The analogy is completely sound. We are comparing to late 1920s Hitler, not 1940s hitler. It's an important distinction.

Keep in mind, though, that not everybody who sounded like late 1920s Hitler turned into 1940s Hitler. (Can't think of any counterexamples off the top of my head, but I suspect there are more who didn't than more who did.) But it's kind of like safety engineering: You plan for the worst possible accident, not for the happiest possible outcome. If Hitler is the worst possible outcome of electing Trump, that's bad enoug…

The safety engineering analogy is exactly it.

Re: Trump

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Post by splawn »

smsm42 wrote: post #290
splawn wrote: post #278

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Imo, racism isn't bad because it oversimplifies the complexity of human experience. It is bad because it degrades in a very direct way the human experience of the group that it is targeting. I don't see how that statement does this. Poor white people have advantages that poor black people don't have because of racism... I don't see why you consider it racist to point that out. Its the opposite because it is highlight…

Oversimplifies and degrades are two ways to say the same in this case. If you mean that this statement does not directly harm anyone, many racist statements don't. In fact, there are a lot of racists that never harmed anyone - not because they didn't want to, but because they were inconsequential and never had the opportunity. I think it's pretty strange definition of racism to measure it by whether it causes any imm…

>Oversimplifies and degrades are two ways to say the same in this case.

I disagree. I don't believe his intent was to degrade. I think he was trying to acknowledge a truth about our culture, ironically an inequality born out of racism. Here is the full quote so anyone reading this doesn't just see the "taken out of context reddit meme" version.

"So to answer your question, I would say, and I think it’s similar to what the secretary said, when you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto. You don’t know what it’s like to be poor. You don’t know what it’s like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car.

And I believe that as a nation in the year 2016, we must be firm in making it clear. We will end institutional racism and reform a broken criminal justice system."

Re: Trump

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Post by powera »

mindslight wrote: post #289
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #259

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Voting for Johnson (or any third-party candidate) is a way of telling both major parties that they messed up in choosing their candidates. It's a message worth sending.

Except the stats trumpeted are "Percent for Demlican", "Percent for Repubocrat", and "Voter turnout". Increasing that third number just shows support for the state religion of totalitarian democracy. The parties didn't "mess up" choosing their candidates - the problem is the basis of their entire platform. To the extent that the Repubocrats feel entitled to the Libertarian votes and Demlican the Green, it only affect…

Do you have any arguments or just name calling?

Just because the parties agree on some issues doesn't mean the system is rigged.

Re: Trump

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Post by mindslight »

powera wrote: post #294
mindslight wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the stats trumpeted are "Percent for Demlican", "Percent for Repubocrat", and "Voter turnout". Increasing that third number just shows support for the state religion of totalitarian democracy. The parties didn't "mess up" choosing their candidates - the problem is the basis of their entire platform. To the extent that the Repubocrats feel entitled to the Libertarian votes and Demlican the Green, it only affect…

Do you have any arguments or just name calling? Just because the parties agree on some issues doesn't mean the system is rigged.

There were several arguments in my above comment, but I understand that questioning one's own assumptions is tough.

Re: Trump

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Post by dang »

mikeaz1 wrote: post #153

> kill the cancer that's causing it This guy is calling Trump supporters like myself a cancer that needs to be killed. Who's the real nazi? We need Trump to fix this country and we need it fast

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11940914 and marked it off-topic, and banned this account for trolling.

Re: Trump

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Post by dang »

floatgatenate wrote: post #161
mikeaz1 wrote: post #153

> kill the cancer that's causing it This guy is calling Trump supporters like myself a cancer that needs to be killed. Who's the real nazi? We need Trump to fix this country and we need it fast

You are, for supporting a nationalistic demagogue riding a wave of hateful xenophobia by exploiting people's suffering during an economic downturn. Next question.

Please stop creating accounts to break the HN guidelines with. That's not ok, regardless of how badly someone else broke the rules.

Re: Trump

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Post by jasonlaramburu »

spoiledtechie wrote: post #286
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #276

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People compare Trump to Hitler because they both employed racism as a campaign tactic. Read a book of German history in the 1930's. Hitler rose to power on the (false) claim that Jews had an unfair advantage in post-war German society, and should be eliminated. Trump claims that Mexicans have an unfair advantage in American society and should be deported. What else is there to understand?

Oh Boy. I think you need to read some of Trumps speaches instead of listening to the vast array of media. Trump claims the Mexicans came here illegally. Therefore they should be deported. That has nothing to do with an unfair advantage. Stop following the light so blindly. Its disgusting.

Hitler also claimed the Jews were in Germany illegally.

Re: Trump

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Post by jasonlaramburu »

It will be interesting to look back on the comments of some Trump supporters here in 30 years (assuming HN is still around). I suspect history will paint them in a similar light to folks like George Wallace, who presented calm and calculated arguments in support of segregation.

Re: Trump

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Post by jasonlaramburu »

Aloha wrote: post #78
kmiroslav wrote: post #36

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You should take a look at how Hitler looked like in the early 30s as he was beginning his ascension toward Chancellorship. There are a lot more resemblances with Trump than you think.

anyone who has read this has not read Mein Kampf - Hitler laid out his plan in total in his book.

No he didn't. He blamed Germany's defeat in WW1 on the Jews.
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