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Re: Trump

#231
post #179

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Imo, its scary because an overt racist is a viable candidate.

"When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor." -- Bernie Sanders

To hold the belief that all people of a particular race are incapable of doing something that another race does is the definition of racism.

Re: Trump

#232

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Yeah, if people's perception and deeply held beliefs involve ignorance and insecurity then I think that needs to go. Americans need to stop being such cowards, and they need to stop embracing anti-intellectualism. The fact that cowardice and anti-intellectualism are deeply held beliefs by many doesn't change what I think of them. I don't really know what else you'd expect. Do you think I should embrace this stuff?

I think you should either come up with a way to put your argument across that doesn't come across as contemptuous and dismissive of anyone who doesn't agree with you, or give up imagining that by continuing to speak in this fashion you're actually helping bring about the outcome you prefer.

What gives you the impression that I think I'm helping?

Re: Trump

#233
post #218

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So rather than pointing out how Im wrong (as I even requested), you construct a strawman argument? I didn't claim that... its fine if you disagree with me, but be honest in your discussion. Edit: and since you are not the person that posted the sanders quote.. im not sure how you know what they think their premise is.

Is that not where you're coming from? Because it sure sounds like that's where you're coming from.

The Sanders' quote wasn't oppressively racist, given that his whole platform was centered around equality. Im not claiming that its impossible to say something racist and oppressive about white people. Saying something like "All white people are NASCAR loving, mountain dew sucking, Trump supporting, racist, wal-mart grade white trash" would be considered racist for example.

Re: Trump

#234
I think the real danger is that Trump pivots to the middle for the general election, and dupes moderate republicans into supporting him. Hitler also did this (i.e. started out very radical in the 30s, shifted to the middle to gain mass appeal, and then consolidated his power once in office).

Re: Trump

#235
post #79

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Well, he wrote a bunch of stuff about how everything is terrible because of the Jews, then he set out to murder them all. Oh wait, you mean Trump? Tons of examples if you look. Criticizing a judge for being Mexican is one recent example.

"Mexico is not a race."

In a world where Obama is "black" but not "white," race is whatever people want it to be.

Re: Trump

#236

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I think you should either come up with a way to put your argument across that doesn't come across as contemptuous and dismissive of anyone who doesn't agree with you, or give up imagining that by continuing to speak in this fashion you're actually helping bring about the outcome you prefer.

What gives you the impression that I think I'm helping?

The principle of charity, I suppose, and more fool I for applying it to political speech in the United States in 2016.

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#237
>we are a nation of immigrants, and we know that immigrants built this country

More precisely, our nation was built by pioneers. When they arrived in the US they had nearly no welfare programs to draw from. You can have a country with open immigration, and you can have a country with generous welfare, but you can't have both.

http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-Native-Households

Re: Trump

#238

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I don't understand this "You called me nazi-like so your arguments are invalid" argument. Clearly, in some situations the comparison is apt. Situations in which a potential leader is using the fear of the "other" to gain power is textbook Nazi and/or fascist behavior.

> Situations in which a potential leader is using the fear of the "other" to gain power is textbook Nazi and/or fascist behavior. That would make everybody Nazis forever. Different groups have different outgroups. http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything...

The 'otherness' in this regard is specifically with respect to religion/race/nationality, making the Nazi comparison even more apt.

Just saying "the other political side will be terrible for our country" is not fascism, because yes, everybody does that.

Re: Trump

#240

Disappointed to see Sam repeat things that are plainly false. Everyone says that Trump says such horrible things, but why is it that so often those same people have to misquote him to make it seem horrible? > He has said that a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t treat him fairly because of his heritage and that we should ban Muslims from entering the country. He said that a judge of Mexican descent isn't treating him…

I find it kind of sad that we can fall all over ourselves declaring how some white judges are totally biased against minorities (or biased in favor of other rich white people... like the judge in the recent Stanford rape case) and that is just fine. But flip the script and suggest that a hispanic judge could possibly be biased against a person that has been quoted (and/or misquoted) as saying unkind things against ce…

I guess you just haven't watched enough MTV to understand the real definition of racism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE0YmFqedhY
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