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Re: VPAID ads destroy performance and are still served by major ad networks

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BTW, nowadays everyone talks about AI, machine learning and "mobile-first". But when I open any mobile app or any mobile website with ads I see only ads of "clash of kings" and similar scammy games. They collect lots of data but ads have no targeting at all. At least ads on mobile phones. I can't understand it.

I don't get it either. Maybe the whole thing is a bubble.

http://idlewords.com/2015/11/the_advertising_bubble.htm

Re: VPAID ads destroy performance and are still served by major ad networks

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Why isn't there an ad network that lets you inject ads server side? That would solve a lot of problems.

Because they want to be able to switch ads very quickly, and they don't want to rely on you to supply the number of ad-displays. It's not a problem getting the correct data from your server logs, but it's not difficult to imagine someone fiddling with the number and indicating that they displayed far more ads than they really did.

Quickly changing the ad is a problem yes, but you can still track the views / clicks from with in the creative with HTML5 ads.

Re: VPAID ads destroy performance and are still served by major ad networks

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It's not that straightforward though; these networks all pile in on each other, layers and layers deep, and in real time. It is very difficult for a publisher to work out who they are dealing with. The only network ads I had running on my news site were from Google Adsense, the seemingly reputable choice, but I found ads and trackers from all sorts of networks were infiltrating through that little window. The only re…

If the only way publishers can make money is by screwing people over then maybe the whole business model is the problem and life would be better without all those blogs. Here's an alternative. Specialist sites sometimes sell ads directly to the advertisers without using a network. They can choose what they show, and often won't accept ads that don't relate to their users. Not really an option for a dilute gossip news…

This is what I do on my site and the feedback I've received from readers of positive. Advertisers also like that the content is specialized because it generally means that the readers will more likely to have a need for the products.

Re: VPAID ads destroy performance and are still served by major ad networks

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If no one pays for them, then they should die as hosting is not going to pay itself. However, launching a small forum and running it costs pennies. The people launching it normally does it because they are passionate enough and paying 2-5$/month/admin is totally feasible. The problem with adding a profit to niche sites is that then people start launching them JUST to get money and people land on frankenpages with mal…

It might cost pennies for wealthy countries but might be a good chunk of money for poorer countries.

If your users are from poor countries, you'll also get pennies from ads. TAANSFL. If you have an actual community, it's more efficient to simply ask for donations.

Re: VPAID ads destroy performance and are still served by major ad networks

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How do physical newspapers prove ad serving to their buyers? I'm certain they don't point to every single newspaper thrown in a driveway.

Third parties and surveys e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_Verification_Counc... Similar to Nielsen ratings for television, they're approximate.

And that, eventually, is going to have to be good enough for online publishers and advertisers.

Re: VPAID ads destroy performance and are still served by major ad networks

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How do physical newspapers prove ad serving to their buyers? I'm certain they don't point to every single newspaper thrown in a driveway.

Third parties and surveys e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_Verification_Counc... Similar to Nielsen ratings for television, they're approximate.

So why can't the same be done on websites? If numbers of views can't be confirmed without spying on users or trusting shady actors to do that for you, it means the business model that is based on this metric is skewed.

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We now only host ads we have sold direct. Thank you. I turned off ad blocker for your site (one is still networked to the bad guys, though...)

Thanks :) We're still talking internally about what we're going to do with the social stuff -- we're leaning towards kicking it out -- as well as the user insight we're granting to Google in return for using its (excellent) DFP to serve our own ads. Is that what you mean, or have we missed something?

Have you considered self-serving your ads? I do it in addition to selling directly and so far, no advertisers have questioned it.

Re: VPAID ads destroy performance and are still served by major ad networks

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One alternative to the current situation would be for sites to serve their own ads (from their own servers). I wonder why this isn't done at least from big sites? There's no way to prove that you've served a particular number of ads to real humans. That's why all these ridiculous brokers and third-party fragments of javascript exist: it would otherwise be trivial for the publisher to defraud the advertiser.

Sure there is; that's what DoubleClick for Publishers is for: https://www.google.com/dfp

This is a really fantastic solution in terms of functionality, but it also comes burdened with a bunch of JS calls and user profiling opportunities. It's very like Google Analytics in that respect; there's a quid pro quo if a publisher uses it.

Re: VPAID ads destroy performance and are still served by major ad networks

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> Doesn't mean ads arent targeted. E.g. a 25 year old white programmer probably isn't getting Spanish language ads, or ads targeting new mothers, or ads for retirement communities. You'd be surprised. I bought a travel sewing kit five years ago on Amazon, and ever since I'm getting advertisements and "recommendations" for handbags, makeup and high-heeled shoes. It's so blatantly sexist and wrong it's almost funny aga…

I mark everything I buy on Amazon as a gift. This seems to stop the silly recommendation behaviour, and also stops Amazon emailing you asking for reviews or to provide answers to other customers' questions.

Neat tip, thanks. Have you found a way to disable browsing history cross-device? They seem to switch it back on for no reason.
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