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Re: Apple File System

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Another proprietary filesystem? I was really hoping they'd adopt ZFS fully.

ZFS on OSX was doomed the moment Oracle bought Sun. If you want to know why, just contemplate the smoking wreckage of the Oracle/Google Java API lawsuit.

ZFS is on a completely open source license.

Oracle's beef with Google comes from actions that occurred before Java was open sourced.

It's hard to see how the two scenarios are even remotely related, other than "Oracle"

Re: Apple File System

#32
> You can share APFS formatted volumes using the SMB network file sharing protocol. The AFP protocol is deprecated and cannot be used to share APFS formatted volumes.

AFP deprecated too.

Re: Apple File System

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Another proprietary filesystem? I was really hoping they'd adopt ZFS fully.

Apple says they intend to open-source the file system in the docs. Open Source : "An open source implementation is not available at this time. Apple plans to document and publish the APFS volume format when Apple File System is released in 2017."

Just like they promised to open source FaceTime and iMessages? Apple has a history of making false promises in regards to open sourcing products.

Re: Apple File System

#35

This should've been in the keynote.

The keynote was for consumers and the press. The 2 PM PT Platforms State of the Union is for developers and will likely go into this more, and if not there is a session tomorrow specifically about it.

Re: Apple File System

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple says they intend to open-source the file system in the docs. Open Source : "An open source implementation is not available at this time. Apple plans to document and publish the APFS volume format when Apple File System is released in 2017."

Just like they promised to open source FaceTime and iMessages? Apple has a history of making false promises in regards to open sourcing products.

I don't recall any promises around iMessage, and FaceTime fell victim to patents.

Re: Apple File System

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple says they intend to open-source the file system in the docs. Open Source : "An open source implementation is not available at this time. Apple plans to document and publish the APFS volume format when Apple File System is released in 2017."

Just like they promised to open source FaceTime and iMessages? Apple has a history of making false promises in regards to open sourcing products.

My understanding was that FaceTime and iMessage weren't open sourced because of issues related to a patent troll (VirnetX IIRC). I'd be interested in hearing from others that are more familiar with the situation.

Re: Apple File System

#38

No snapshotting yet, can't boot, no migration tools for existing setups (time machine, filevault, fusion). It'd be interesting to see whether their permission changes introduced in 10.11 will travel further down the fs. Also, I don't see any mention of compression like lz4. Lots of work until release in 2017!

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Re: Apple File System

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Just saw a comment in another thread, stating Apple had slipped in improving their Unix layer, and here comes this. New file system is not a joking matter: Microsoft failed to deliver their new FS; Linux took years to go from ext2 to ext3 to ext4, and btrfs is in forever testing; most of *BSD still use their old ones; zfs took decade to become mainstream... The information currently is very scarce on this one, but I…

SailfishOS uses btrfs.

Re: Apple File System

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post #9

Shipping in 2017? So it won't even be ready for Sierra?

It's present as a developer preview in Sierra, but isn't the default filesystem and can't be used as the boot drive. Which is probably how it should be. I'd rather not lose data to a new filesystem because Apple rushed the thing out without proper testing.

Seconded. File systems are hard and specs need to be finalized. Plus the grandparent post reminds me of the old Slashdot meme: ``No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.''
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