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OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by matthewmacleod »

imron wrote: post #107

> if you use multiple macOS machines, Apple will now sync your desktops between them, too Oh No. Please no. If I had to come up with a list of 5 things Apple is really bad at, sync would be one of them. I've basically stopped syncing my phone and desktop because of all the duplicated calendar entries syncing creates. It's something I have absolutely zero trust in them to do properly.

See, the thing is - I use sync across multiple Apple devices. I have had zero problems with duplicated or missing entries, and it's one of the absolute killer features of the ecosystem for me.

It's hard to get a real impression of what problems may or may not exist, unfortunately.

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by k-mcgrady »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #110
salzig wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont own one. Does it look when removed? Is unlocking required for all, or can i disable it?

I also don't own one, but my understanding is that: - a passcode is required to use features like Apple Pay - the watch can be configured such that it only has to be unlocked once, until it is removed from the wrist/rebooted/manually locked

>> "- a passcode is required to use features like Apple Pay"

Not true. You just double tap the side button and can use Apple Pay. The way it secures itself is that as soon as you remove it from your wrist it locks and requires a passcode. You can't do anything with it until you enter the passcode.

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by matthewmacleod »

izacus wrote: post #97

Seriously, did Apple fire their OSX / macOS team? Pretty much all new features are spinoffs of their iOS infrastructure (Siri, handover, etc.) and the main OS development and innovation seems to have stalled. Not even a feature like telling software that you're on a metered connection and it shouldn't run backups! Is there anyone at Apple still working on innovating / improving OS X? Like people that tried to bring i…

That seems a little unfair. They did a bit of this in the last couple of rounds - introducing Metal, for example, or all the energy work they did a couple of releases ago.

Baby steps :)

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by oakenclast »

I've been using Apple operating systems for most of my computing, since the Apple IIe. I started using OS X in 2001. Every since the release of 10.7, I have just been disappointed with their releases. Now that they are releasing major updates on a yearly press-release driven schedule, their quality has suffered. And their drive towards making the desktop more like iOS seems to cater more to non-technical consumers than developers. I have been happily exploring Linux the past year, mostly in VMs trying out different distros. I kinda doubt I will upgrade to macOS.

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by Symbiote »

nacs wrote: post #106
salzig wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe you're aware, but not able to do something. Backpack with Macbook, Watch and Phone stolen. What would you do?

Macbook sure, phone maybe, but why would your watch be in your backpack? Also, the watch automatically enters a locked state when its off your wrist.

Because the robber said "your Apple gadgets or your life!", and carried them away in the bag.

Or, perhaps because you put in in the bag to go through airport security, and the bag was handed to someone else.

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by izacus »

School-Cotton wrote: post #128
baldfat wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You are root and can do anything you want on your machine. That was never my experience on an Apple device. Now my Linux boxes yes, but Apple and Windows no way. Especially with the Mac App Store and the user Interface being so locked down by Apple. Many things are hidden by Apple.

The only thing I have found that couldn't be done on an OS X device was run a custom kernel without breaking power management. Do you have any other examples of things that you can't do?

Can you modify system files and resign them so you can keep SIP working?

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by protomyth »

School-Cotton wrote: post #75
protomyth wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant with SIP, root is not the all powerful account it is traditionally. I'm also sick of the idea of disabling security to do simple things that shouldn't be covered by the security.

You can be sick of that if you want, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the point I was making, which is that it should be possible to disable cloud storage on your Mac, since you can do anything on your own device. Whether you can do that with a reboot or not, whether you need to disable SIP, etc., isn't really germane to what I was talking about and I feel like you just wanted to take the opportunity to…

I don't think I should have to disable security to do things that are not security concerns. I also doubt the average user regards root as a solution. I am not hopeful given what was said during the prior beta, that disabling SIP will always be an option.

> I feel like you just wanted to take the opportunity to rant.

Was this line necessary?

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by matthewmacleod »

protomyth wrote: post #58
School-Cotton wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless they remove the ability to turn off SIP, you have full control over your machine. This is very different from iOS where you have to wait for some team of Chinese hackers to discover a security vulnerability in order to get access to your own device. Not sure why this is not "root in the traditional sense", unless you're in some environment where you don't have physical access to the machine and can't reboot fo…

I meant with SIP, root is not the all powerful account it is traditionally. I'm also sick of the idea of disabling security to do simple things that shouldn't be covered by the security.

I have to dispute that changing core system files is something that 'shouldn't be covered by the security'. It's exactly what this sort of feature is for.

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by imron »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #131
imron wrote: post #107

> if you use multiple macOS machines, Apple will now sync your desktops between them, too Oh No. Please no. If I had to come up with a list of 5 things Apple is really bad at, sync would be one of them. I've basically stopped syncing my phone and desktop because of all the duplicated calendar entries syncing creates. It's something I have absolutely zero trust in them to do properly.

See, the thing is - I use sync across multiple Apple devices. I have had zero problems with duplicated or missing entries, and it's one of the absolute killer features of the ecosystem for me. It's hard to get a real impression of what problems may or may not exist, unfortunately.

It works great - until it doesn't, and then you find all your music is deleted or something [0]

They don't exactly have a stellar record on this sort of thing.

0 - http://9to5mac.com/2016/05/13/apple-officially-acknowledges-...

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by [deleted] »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #69
salzig wrote: post #55

- You can unlock your mac using you apple watch. - You can confirm payments using your apple watch. A thief having your mac and watch can do/buy everything? Is it just me thinging about it?

I think this is fair but I also struggle to think of a situation where my Mac and my Apple Watch get stolen and I'm not aware of it in time to lock my accounts.

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